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[โ€“] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Irish and Italians are interesting because they were historically considered 'colored' or at least on the same societal rung as colored people.

[โ€“] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

They want to be European, but don't want the stink of colonialism, whilst also feeling like rebels, so Ireland it is!

[โ€“] Etterra@discuss.online 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Eh it depends on who you are and where you're from. Chicago and Boston have a lot of Irish heritage. Everywhere else it's mostly just St. Patrick's Day, aka amateur night. So it's mostly just an excuse for the lightweights to go get drunk on shitty beer.

Seriously, who gets drunk on Miller or Budweiser? It's like trying to run a car engine on Kool-aid.

[โ€“] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

The population of Ireland is around 5.3 million. More than 6 million people have immigrated to the U.S. from there. Factor in kids, grandkids and such... It makes sense that there would be a number of people claiming Irish heritage. Also the number of people who find an Irish accent attractive is non-zero.

Edit: a quick search found 9.4% of the U.S. population is of Irish decent. (Mixed obviously). So more Irish than all Asian decents combined if I read it correctly.

[โ€“] joel_feila@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

We err they obsessed because red heada are hot and irish beer os better the American beer

[โ€“] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 hours ago

My maternal great-grandfather fled Ireland after the Civil War ended because he was a republican fighter. Does that count?

[โ€“] selkiesidhe@lemm.ee 4 points 11 hours ago

My dad's side of the family was supposedly Irish. Bunch of reprobates and thieves. I would admit to being related to none of them even if they could prove it with papers lol

Nothing against Irish people. Just thought I'd share.

[โ€“] paranoia@feddit.dk 15 points 16 hours ago (5 children)

What a fucking weird and racist post. "not even the Irish want to be Irish"

Looks like it's just trying to be controversial. The Irish are fine, they have nothing to be ashamed of and lots to be proud of. Most of the world either doesn't know who they are or loves them.

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[โ€“] dbtng@eviltoast.org 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

My wee Irish grandmother would take issue with this. Her pride was more about being Catholic, but she was definitely Irish. Soda bread. Weird Easter pastries. Ya, cabbage and alcohol too. Just little bits and bobs of Irish culture.

... Um ... I personally claim that I'm a European mutt. Drunkards all.

[โ€“] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Idk lol some of our ancestors are just from a place and sometimes that place is Ireland. Want my white-ass to lie to you instead?

I'm Hatian now.

[โ€“] MBech@feddit.dk 11 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

It's just a very foreign thing for us eurooeans. If we're born in Italy, but some grandparent was born in Germany, we don't consider ourself to be german in any way. We'd consider ourself italian and nothing else. It just seems so incredibly odd to even consider oneself to be german if you didn't spend time growing up in Germany.

[โ€“] ViperActual@sh.itjust.works 17 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I think the reason it's so prevalent here in the US is because the vast majority of the population ended up here at least in part due to immigration. So identifying as ethnically originating from elsewhere is a part of that self identity.

The disparity however, is knowing that while traveling through Europe, this style of self identification falls flat because simply being ethnically from a place doesn't mean you can claim to be born and raised from there. And that meaning is what's different between the US and Europe.

[โ€“] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

I wonder if some of it doesn't come from the people who came to America through forced immigration (I.e. the slave trade).

I think it makes sense for people brought unwillingly to America to hold on to that ethnic heritage and culture work hard to instill it in their children, even if they were born in America.

[โ€“] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Very unlikely, the people who claim to have some european origin are generally not the descendants of slaves. Descendants of slaves generally have very little knowledge about the origin of their ancestors. Slaves in America came mostly from Africa, most likely even displaced within Africa. Very little records were kept of individual slaves origins, because why would anyone do that, they're slaves. These people identify as "just" African Americans.

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[โ€“] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I guess that makes sense. We have our "heritage" pushed on us from a very young age, or at least we did when I was a child. In the 4th grade we did an entire reenactment of immigrating through Ellis Island, NY in which we had to research our countries of origin, then draw from a hat to see if we died on the journey, got small pox, or any other number of things all before being "accepted into the wonderful cultural melting-pot that is the United States".

Then we grew up and learned that all immigrants are evil and must all be deported. /s?

Regardless, my family immigrated from Ireland after having lived in County Cork for a very long time. This whole post just seems like shitting on people just to shit on people.

Sad thing to be, nonsensical thing to want to be

Well, thanks for calling me sad for a thing I'm mostly indifferent about and have no choice in, OP.

[โ€“] joel_feila@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

What if you knew your family came over before Ellis island was open.

[โ€“] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 minutes ago

Didn't matter. Unless you were indigenous, for the lessons sake, you came through ellis island lol

[โ€“] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 19 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It's the same nonsense as invoking "the luck of the Irish". Said by people who have absolutely no idea about Irish history.

[โ€“] Krauerking@lemy.lol 10 points 22 hours ago

Darn those extra lucky Irish.

In Fact it's well known that they fought overwhelming on the north side of the US civil war because they knew which side was gonna win from their luck, and it had nothing to do with recognizing slavery as another form of the serfdom they just escaped from.

[โ€“] tamal3@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Citizenship question: my grandfather's parents were born in Ireland. My grandfather, who didn't know he had been adopted until much later in life (by a Jewish woman), became an Irish citizen in his 50s and had dual citizenship until his death.

As a desperate American.... can I get Irish citizenship through my grandfather, a naturalized Irish citizen who was not born in Ireland?? I can (understandably) not find an answer to this on the Irish citizenship website.

Sincerely, an American who spent 12 hours protesting at a No Kings rally yesterday

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[โ€“] DrSoap@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I have a friend who came over from Moscow and is an immigrant to the U.S. herself. A few years ago she started telling me she has Irish heritage and she knows it because she felt it in her bones and can see it in her dreams. Now she goes twice a year to 'reconnect with her roots.' She was so confident that she did a 23andme and it showed that she was 99% of her heritage with a 1% broadly european. That 1% is what she is now claiming is her Irish portion.

I don't know. I really don't even know.

[โ€“] crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Mine said I was 0.2% Mongolian so now I endearingly tell stories of my Grandpa Khan.

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[โ€“] sness@sh.itjust.works 5 points 19 hours ago

My great grandparents came to the US and claimed to be Irish. We strongly suspect this was a lie and they were German but arrived during a time where Germans were... unpopular.

[โ€“] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

It's economically stable white people trying to find a way to be the victim.
You don't see actually marginalized white people (poor, disabled, etc) doing this, just suburban Karens and shit

Edit:
All these down votes but no counterarguments.
It's almost like people are mad because not only does this perfectly explain the phenomenon, but we can see tons of examples in American society of the oppressors trying to claim victimhood for repercussions to their actions. The glove fits.

[โ€“] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 55 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Iโ€™ve got Irish heritage. My dentist asked me about it because I have a red beard (brown hair). She explained that people with red hair are less responsive to Novocain. I always knew I wasnโ€™t bullshitting that the dentist hurt me as a teen. Finally, proof!

[โ€“] LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Not only Novocain, but lots of different types of anesthesia. Im a ginger and have woken up in several procedures, even after warning the doctor I probably would.

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[โ€“] ChocoboEnthusiast@leminal.space 72 points 1 day ago (19 children)

I think Americans caring about there heritage lives rent free in too many European heads. It doesn't affect anyone's day to day, and explains some weird idiosyncrasies in life.

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[โ€“] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think some people just like to be in touch with their ancestry which isn't suddenly cringe when you're white. But I think for some other people it's genuinely part of their victim complex. Irish people were among the most oppressed white minorities back in the day.

[โ€“] breecher@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago

There is a difference between being in touch with your ancestry to claiming you are literally a nationality which you aren't. Americans always say "I'm Irish, Italian etc. etc." and proceeds to be the ultimate arbiter of what is real Irish, Italian etc., when in reality they had some great-grandparents in of their family tree branches who may have been of that nationality.

By all means be interested in your ancestry, study the archives, learn about your distant family, but it does not suddenly make you Irish, Italian etc., you are American.

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