Flippanarchy

Something i have brought up before as an example is when i was in elementary school and high school, i was bullied very very badly. They would say horrific things and beat me up. This happened for almost 10 years. Everyone always told me "ignore them. Be the bigger person.", "if you hit them, you are just as bad.", "if you ignore them, they will stop.", "have you asked them to stop bullying you?".

Teachers would constantly make excuses and ignore the bullies. Because if they said something about it, the whole class would lie and say i did something to deserve it. I never did anything because i was terrified.

One day i got jumped again after school by one of them and i snapped. I beat the everliving fuck out of him. The last punch was straight to the throat and he struggled to breath.

Not a single person in the class bullied me ever again. Not a single word was said to me from that day on.

My point is that asking bullies and fascists nicely to stop, does not work. They are not playing according to the rules. We are currently "fighting" them with the assumption they have morals and will stop if we firmly tell them to. Did the protest annoy trump? 100%. Probably spend the entire night annoyed. Is he rethinking his fascist plans? Absolutely not.

I do think the protests are beautiful to see. So much solidarity and love. Its amazing to see with our own eyes that our side is MASSIVE. and that the right does not have nearly as much people as they pretend they do.

But i also know it won't change but. Trump is not going to leave. He will not stop advancing his fascist plans. ICE continues their gestapo bullshit. LGBT and womens rights continue to be taken away.

It's a beautiful morale boost. But sadly that is all it is.

Sorry for the rant. I do love seeing the protests and i really have so much respect for the people out on the streets. But i don't think much, if anything, will change.

But in condemning violence it would be an act of irresponsibility not to be as strong in condemning the conditions in our society that cause people to feel so angry that they have no alternative but to engage in riots. What we must see is that a riot is the language of the unheard.

What is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last 10 or 12 years. It's failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. It has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity.

• MLK Jr

Peaceful protest or "sitting it out" is when you have hope to last longer than the current crisis.

The current crisis, at least in the US, is not going to vanish that quickly. The real crisis is the dropping wages, and that's not gonna revert much. Socialism or barbarism!

Well yeah. It's possible for peaceful protests to work, but let's look at history. In reality, the pigs are going to get violent regardless of what anyone does, the national guard will be called out and they're going to use tear gas because their bosses want them to, and despite the fear of injury or death, large groups of people will keep working to make things better.

This is guaranteed to occur. For good or bad, whatever, it will happen. So let's stop worrying about certain outcomes and move our focus to the uncertain things.

The only police reform we have seen in 15 years has been as the result of BLM violent protests.

Violent protest got you every single right you have.

It's historically the only way slaves and the poor have ever improved their lives.

Shut the fuck up

Absolutely right. Even Gavin Newsome is doing nothing but threatening to file a lawsuit. Buncha goddamn pussies. There is only ONE way to deal with Nazis and it isnt bEiNg pEaCeFuL

Fight before your not able to

Educate me. I mean this with no hostility, and I'll be honest about the fact that I'm not an American and am seeing this from the outside. I'm not attacking anyone and I'm not defending any one stance, because I'd like to be educated and I'm not confident my news is giving me the whole picture.

Educate me.

Here's what I hear.

• American troops (including marines) have been deployed without the governor's consent (this sounds terrifying)
  • This has been temporarily suspended because it was a hasty move and requires the governor's consent
• If this turns violent then it can be considered an insurrection (or meet whatever terms required to be considered) and the insurrection act can be invoked (this sounds terrifying) (why would you encourage violence in this circumstance?)
• I get how pacifism can be the wrong move in some circumstances, but this post sounds like it came from people wanting to stir the pot. And that's exactly what Trump would want, right?

Please spell it out for the rest of us. And how can I help?

Isn't this exactly what Trump would want? I may be missing the point here, and as an ally I don't mean to take anyone's energy away from far more important efforts.

Please educate me (if you can). Please fight for your rights!

Organize first, then fight.

Most people aren't going to risk their lives for this shithole until elections stop altogether.

Look at past examples of revolts and civil wars. Minority factions and secessionists pretty much never win and often end up operating in ways that promote war crimes.

First you have to get mad.