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[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 16 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

This seems like it could be a viable replacement for many plastics, but it isn't the silver bullet I feel that the article is acting as if it is.

From the linked article in the post:

the new material is as strong as petroleum-based plastics but breaks down into its original components when exposed to salt.

Those components can then be further processed by naturally occurring bacteria, thereby avoiding generating microplastics

The plastic is non-toxic, non-flammable, and does not emit carbon dioxide, he added.

This is great. Good stuff. Wonderful.

From another article (this shows that this isn't as recent, too. This news was from many months ago)

the team was able to generate plastics that had varying hardnesses and tensile strengths, all comparable or better than conventional plastics.

Plastics like these can be used in 3D printing as well as medical or health-related applications.

Wide applications and uses, much better than a lot of other proposed solutions. Still good so far.

After dissolving the initial new plastic in salt water, they were able to recover 91% of the hexametaphosphate and 82% of the guanidinium as powders, indicating that recycling is easy and efficient.

Easy to recycle and reclaim material from. Great! Not perfect, but still pretty damn good.

In soil, sheets of the new plastic degraded completely over the course of 10 days, supplying the soil with phosphorous and nitrogen similar to a fertilizer.

You could compost these in your backyard. Who needs the local recycling pickup for plastics when you can just chuck it in a bin in the back? Still looking good.

using polysaccharides that form cross-linked salt bridges with guanidinium monomers.

Polysaccharides are literally carbohydrates found in food.

This is really good. Commonly found compound, easy to actually re-integrate back into the environment. But now the problems start. They don't specify much about the guanidinium monomers in their research in terms of which specific ones are used, so it's hard to say the exact implications, but...

...they appear to often be toxic, sometimes especially to marine life, soil quality, and plant growth, and have been used in medicine with mixed results as to their effectiveness and safety.

I'm a bit disappointed they didn't talk about this more in the articles, to be honest. It seems this would definitely be better than traditional plastic in terms of its ecological effects, but still much worse than not dumping it in the ocean at all. In my opinion, in practice it looks like this would simply make the recycling process much more efficient (as mentioned before, a 91% and 82% recovery rate for plastics is much better than the current average of less than 10%) while reducing the overall harm from plastic being dumped in the ocean, even if it's still not good enough to eliminate the harm altogether.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 18 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

What does it dissolve into? 🪿 Wait, what does it dissolve into? 🗣️ 🪿

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

From the article:

Aida said the new material is as strong as petroleum-based plastics but breaks down into its original components when exposed to salt. Those components can then be further processed by naturally occurring bacteria, thereby avoiding generating microplastics that can harm aquatic life and enter the food chain.

As salt is also present in soil, a piece about five centimetres (two inches) in size disintegrates on land after over 200 hours, he added.

The material can be used like regular plastic when coated, and the team are focusing their current research on the best coating methods, Aida said. The plastic is non-toxic, non-flammable, and does not emit carbon dioxide, he added.

So I think the next thing the goose wants to know is, what's it being coated with?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Is it made of snails?

(/s, in case anyone wants to take that seriously)

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

That was my first thought, a tide pod also rapidly dissolves in sea water, we shouldn't be dumping those in the ocean though.

[–] Belgdore@lemm.ee 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

But then how will we maintain the ocean breeze scent?

The tweenagers hosing on Axe in coastal cities will take care of that I think.

[–] MuteDog@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

It dissolves into salt water.

Except it doesn't dissolve, this is not the term they should be using, you can't just dry out the water and get the plastic back. It breaks down into other things. I'm pretty sure an ocean full of dissolved plastic would be a way worse ecological disaster than the current microplastic problem...

I've seen like 3-4 articles about this now and they all use the term dissolve and it's pissing me off.

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 10 points 18 hours ago

Does it actually break down? Or does it just melt into a cloud of microplastics?

[–] procrastitron@lemmy.world 105 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The perfect material for Tesla’s new cyberboat

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 4 points 22 hours ago

Perfect since he's being invited to Russia now. They can share their know-how of sinking ships.

[–] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I have a name for that boat: Cybersunk

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[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

Titan 2.0!... But because we don't know this materials strengths yet, we'll add a supportive Styrofoam coating. A generous one.

[–] Timberfang@pawb.social 9 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Let’s build a ship out of it.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 6 points 18 hours ago

"Oil tanker spills 60,000 tons of crude into the Pacific after hull biodegrades, more at 6"

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

And then tow it outside the environment.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 76 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It dissolves...but into what? Sounds like a recipe for a petroleum salt water mix that's probably just as toxic as melted plastic, unless all the petroleum is removed.

Instant micro plastics: just add seawater!

[–] setsubyou@lemmy.world 56 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It doesn’t seem to be based on petroleum, since they’re explicitly comparing it to petroleum-based plastics…

There also are other non-petroleum based plastics that dissolve in water. This part is not new. E.g. polyvinyl alcohol is used widely.

What’s new about this one is that it specifically needs salt to dissolve and they claim it’s otherwise relatively sturdy. So maybe it could be used instead of pet bottles for drinks? Or maybe they’re not quite there yet but it’s a new step in that direction…

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

For anyone wondering about where, just as an example, polyvinyl is: Polyvinyl acetate (i.e. PVA) is the stuff that wood glue is typically made out of. It's also the binder used for those bird seed bells.

...It does indeed dissolve in the water. In the rain, certainly, which any owner of a bird seed bell could tell you.

[–] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's a lot of sodium in most fizzy drinks, wonder if that rules them out for this. Or does it have to be sodium chloride specifically?

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Without checking out the details, I can say with fairly high confidence that a material that will be degraded by a sodium chloride solution will most likely also be degraded by other electrolytes as well.

However, the electrolyte-concentration in drinks is much, much lower than that in seawater. And if it can't be used for electrolyte-containing drinks, it could be used for water bottles.

Maybe we could use this stuff for umbrellas too? My major concern is what this new material is broken down into.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 4 points 22 hours ago

Maybe we could use this stuff for umbrellas too?

Not in the winter, lol.

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[–] atlien51@lemm.ee 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And are we gonna start using this on a mainstream scale?

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] atlien51@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

Ok, back to non~biodegradable plastics and fuck this innovation

[–] TheRealKuni@midwest.social 7 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

We use plenty of biodegradable plastics. They’re not always the correct solution. You wouldn’t want an airplane biodegrading, for example.

[–] atlien51@lemm.ee 4 points 20 hours ago

I’d love that actually. While I’m flying preferably

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[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 50 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This sounds borderline miraculous, and I have a feeling there's bound to be a catch. I hope not, but I'm just too cynical.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The catch is that it’s useless in most plastics applications, where you really don’t want it to dissolve easily. Probably more catches, but that’s the one I see right away.

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[–] embed_me@programming.dev 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It dissolves with salt. Our sweat will melt it

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[–] ExtraPartsLeft@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think some of y'all are missing a lot of packaging use cases other than food. But even in the food sector, there are dry things like pasta, beans, and rice that don't have salt in them. If it really is as strong as a petroleum plastic for these items, it could eliminate tons of micro plastic.

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[–] parpol@programming.dev 23 points 1 day ago

The material can be used like regular plastic when coated,

Coated with what? If you say PFAS, this is worse than microplastics.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 16 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Aida said the new material is as strong as petroleum-based plastics but breaks down into its original components when exposed to salt.

If this means that it does not break down when exposed to just water, that's a pretty big deal. Water solubility has been the major issue making biodegradable plastics useless for food packaging (typically you want to either keep the food wet and water in, or dry and water out - either way water permeability is a problem).

Of course most foods also contain salt, so... I guess that's why the article talks about coatings. If the material has to be coated to keep it from breaking down too fast, what is the point? either the coating will prevent it from breaking down, or it just moves the problem to the coating not breaking down.

[–] ik5pvx@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Food is not the only thing that gets packaged. The worst example that comes to my mind is the way they package microSD cards.

What, you don't think 1cm² of product should be packaged in a 7×10 cm doubled-up plastic sheet?

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You see the thing is, the point of plastic is that it doesn’t dissolve easily. I can see this having some niche applications, but this won’t be replacing most plastics any time soon.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

To be fair, this was originally the point of plastic. The primary point of plastic today is that it is an extremely cheap material that you can mould into pretty much any shape.

Need a bag to carry stuff? Plastic.

Packaging for toothpicks? Plastic.

Spacers inside an electric circuit? Plastic.

Packaging for clothes? Plastic.

Fake plant? Plastic.

Part of the problem is that we're using a wonder-material that lasts forever (plastic) for a bunch of mundane shit where we don't need it, because that wonder-material turns out to be the cheapest material around as well.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 3 points 17 hours ago

Yeah, fair enough. That’s a great point. I will update my opinion of this advancement.

Its specifically sensitive to salt, so you can use it for anything with little or no salt without issue. Also it would be perfect for basically all packaging applications that dont involve food but do require an airtight seal. So you could probably replace the majority of all single use plastic packaging/containers with it.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well let’s stop putting plastic into seawater and we won’t have to worry about our it dissolving.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 23 hours ago

Ah but imagine the eager faces of Logitech's execs when they realize they could make their mice dissolve under your fingers and offer a subscription for replacements.

[–] propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

So like, just with PFAS, the properties that make plastic so appealing are also what make it detrimental to the environment.

The only way to get rid of plastic is to stop valuing its use. We have to look at life differently, which in many ways is the same.

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