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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 66 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

They don't have to give identification and we can't identify them? So we can just shoot anyone who tries to kidnap people since there's no proof they are who they say they are.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago

It is your duty as a citizen in a democracy or your submission to neo feudalism and forfeiture of citizenship if you fail. "This is a coup, if the left accepts it." was an absolute truth. The slowness with which to perform such a transition is the master plan being implemented right now.

[–] zib@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I imagine precisely this might land them in some tricky situations in states like Texas which have both Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine laws.

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 46 points 2 days ago

It's a GOOD THING that Republicans are trying to make it ILLEGAL to Identify Strangers who are KIDNAPPING CHILDREN IN BROAD DAYLIGHT!

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Giving a notoriously authoritarian group access to government's monopoly on violence while giving them impenetrable anonymity? I can't possibly imagine how this will go.

[–] jessicablaze@lemmynsfw.com 22 points 2 days ago

~~ICE agents~~ Secret police that are illegal to identify. I'm sure they'll follow the law, right....

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

those who publicly identify an officer "with the intent to obstruct a criminal investigation or immigration enforcement operation."

Intent is notoriously hard to prove. OTHO, how have we fallen so far as to be having this discussion?!

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't want to interfere. I just want everyone to be able to put folks into categories of "decent people" and "monsters."

[–] Envy@fedia.io 14 points 2 days ago

Speak for yourself. I'm here to interfere with the gestapo.

[–] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Intent is notoriously hard to prove.

Don't worry, they'll charge you anyway, and you'll be bled dry with legal costs.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Intent is notoriously hard to prove.

So what? They'll just ship you to CECOT without a trial.

[–] KingOfSleep@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago

Secret police.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

Yeah, get fucked assholes. You have a higher responsibility to public scrutiny. With extra power comes more scrutiny of your actions.

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

I don't even believe that half the videos we see are of actual ICE agents to begin with. Without being able to identify them literally anyone that has a convincing enough vest could get away with literally kidnapping whoever they want (which is honestly probably already happening). Those masks they wear are $5 and the vests are about $50 if you get a cheap one, both of which you can buy on amazon. Then all you gotta do is stitch whatever agency name you want onto it within an afternoon. With all these "plain clothes" agents going around in regular cars I guarantee a decent amount of them are just a local racist with an extra $100 and too much free time.

Not if you practice good opsec