Ive been around long enough to know its an inevitable cycle, hopefully federation saves lemmy from the same fate.
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That was my next question… is it inevitable? Like the fall of every major power in human history. At some point they break.
Expect some (additonal) really nice privately owned Federated instances to launch after Reddit finally dies. (Embrace - Twitter and Mastodon are far enough along that Bluesky exists, already.)
They will have all the usual features, but also a few surprisingly nice additonal (closed source, added by corporate sponsors) features. It will cost some mild annoyance when visiting from an open source truly free federated instance. (Extend)
Eventually the new features will result in lost compatibility with the rest of the fediverse. Users on the new platform can enjoy the rest of the fediverse, but other fediverse users cannot reach any content contributed by users of the new platform. So everyone needs an account on the new platform, to enjoy it. (Extinguish)
Then the new platform enshitifies. (Enshitify)
This prediction is primarily based on how Google managed "Google Talk" when it joined XMPP. Many feel XMPP did not survive it. I still use XMPP, but many folks I talked to on XMPP do not.
The recipe is: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, Enshitify.
I'm not sure about this, but does defederation or blocking work both ways? I.e can an instance stop federating their own content to another instance? I would think so. It seems like corporate instances be pretty effectively boycotted like that.
I'm not sure about this, but does defederation or blocking work both ways?
I think it's by choice in each direction? I'm not sure.
I.e can an instance stop federating their own content to another instance? I would think so.
Yes. And I think that's our best defense against what happened to XMPP. Opinions vary, of course. I guess it'll be up to each instance owner how they handle it.
It seems like corporate instances be pretty effectively boycotted like that.
I hope so. I worry because they say "history usually rhymes".
At the very least, the fediverse was designed with knowledge of lessons learned from XMPP. And I'm certainly, myself, less naive than I was when I fell for Google Talk. Hopefully others are too.
Almost certainly yes, once lemmy gets big enough and people in power actually give a shit about it.
The nature of the internet is something has to be hosted somewhere, no matter how obscure eventually there's a source and assholes can apply pressure on the source / host.
Most people running an instance don't have the money nor will to fight governments and mega corps when they uncorck their bullshit attacks
Exactly. Not communist though, fascist. Communism is something entirely different.
But its also clear that this happened because to thrive in the capitalfascist system, you need to adhere to the rules:
- strong hierarchy
- ideologically homogenous
- strictly controlled ingress
- constant fear of being excluded
- pushing individualism and competition
Its the same everywhere and it is scary.
Exactly. Not communist though, fascist.
Was going to say this, lol.
Completely agree otherwise with the op.
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it feels like a fascist regime
Fixed. Pete boy wants to get rid of the progressive content he deems offensive, so that he gets better showing with the other white techbros come shareholder day.
Spez loves musk, that tells you what reddit is.
Eff reddit. They ban me anytime I say shit about trump or musk.
God forbid you dislike h1b visas, my parents are literally immigrants, no one likes the ppl that come here exclusively to work and send money back home, taking jobs away while not investing any money back into the economy, actively talking shit constantly and claiming that they dont put effort into their work for whatever reason. This is just ppl speaking in hindi using english alphabet in the reddit communtiies.
Its just a way to pay our tech employees less and hire less americans who have the power to quit and go elsewhere without being deported if they dont find a job in 2 months, plus they ofc get better pay than back home so theyll put up with worse conditions than we would making things worse for everyone, why are we even looking to hire outside our country like we dont have ppl here struggling to find jobs in the same field. I had a mild rant and then a one week ban, got perma banned later for alleged subreddit ban evasion, but I think they just wanted an excuse. Outsource excess work not work that we don't have, and they wanna get rid if all the immigrants doing the labor no one wants to do, pulling up on farms.
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And for some reason, I just want to see it burn.
Technology under capitalism will be used first and foremost for the violent enforcement of capitalism. While extreme censorship is a relatively mild form of "enforcement", it's still a fundamental tool. The hegemonic narrative must be defended at all costs. Just look at the media, politicians, corporations, etc. It's all the same tales.
I read that it’s attracting the most new users of all the social apps
Most of those are not real users and never have been.
By reddits own admission 50% we're all bots. I think it was reported in the tech sub like years back. Reddit wants to be a Facebook clone.
By 2015 it was already a hollow shell of what it had once been, and by 2020 it was spiritually completely dead. Now it's just shocking how far it's continued to decline, far past what I'd come to think of as rock bottom
This post feels like something I wanted to write. I agree 100% I want to see that shithole burn