Antisemitism will truly be defeated when Jews can live anywhere in the world without fear of persecution, not when they've carved out their own ethnostate.
this post was submitted on 31 May 2025
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Unfortunately, I feel like these times call for explicit clarification in what should be obvious.
"...when Jews can live anywhere in the world without fear of persecution.. for being Jewish" (but like everyone else can be held accountable as individuals for crimes including war crimes; that being Jewish doesn't turn prosecution into persecution)
The fact that this needs clarification is evidence that we do not deserve a future as a species.
JFC are we fucking idiots that this needs to be spelled the fuck out.
Valid distinction thanks to Israel.
Another truth that must be addressed is that most Jewish people either actively or passively support the genocide of Palestinians. Therefore we need people like me within Judaism to call it out and people outside of Judaism to agree it's a problem.
most Jewish people
Whether or not that's true, I don't think it's the sort of claim that should be made without supporting evidence. Bear in mind that the Zionist lobby is powerful, vocal and ruthless, many people may be afraid to speak out against it. If a group can be made to feel like they are the minority, it can seem as if they really are.
I dont think there are any trustworthy statistics so ill be honest, I mostly went off my personal experience as a Jewish person and having interacted with my community extensively
I mean it is a true statistic.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/
Support for the IDF among American and Israeli Jewish people alone accounts for more than half of the worldwide Jewish population. It's not antisemitic to point out that most Jewish people worldwide support the genocide.
What is antisemitic is to dislike Jewish people in general because of it.
Just to clearify, I am Jewish. When I point out that most Jews are Zionist im making my frustration about my people clear.
This certainly appears to be true.
My government, and Israel, have made it clear that my opposition to the genocide in Gaza makes me an antisemite. I have maybe only once read of a Jewish person or group opposing this view.
So be it, I know which side of history I want to tell my young nieces and nephews I was on, so I have no problem whatsoever with any of legal issues this might cause me.
Of course, the price for Israel (and silent Jewish people) making the judgement that I and most socially liberal people are antisemites, is Jewish people are on their own, other than the far right/nazi aligned groups who support their actions in Gaza, in terms of international support from people not governments.
Edit - and as an aside, I think this new alignment indicates that a lot of the 20th century Western notions of political 'left' and 'right' are dead, 'liberalism' is a political double-speak (do you mean economic or social liberalism? Because they are at odds), and it isn't Russia v. the USA, because American oligarchs and wannabe strongmen are in perfect alignment with their Russian counterparts.
Code Pink, Jewish voice for peace, Norman Finkelstein, Gabor Maté, Ilan Pappé, Noam Chomsky, Judith Butler. These are some of the Jewish folks opposing settler colonial Zionism. There is a strong Jewish tradition of being on the right side of history. Sure, Judaism is not a monolith, and sure, maybe (and this is a really big fat maybe, and I'd love to see actual data either supporting or refuting this, which is conspicuously absent from this discussion) the majority of Jews support Israel's actions, but there is a sizable portion of Jews worldwide that oppose settler colonialism, and and even larger portion that opposes the ongoing genocide.
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Kind of reminds me of the brainwashing the media instituted about how covid was somehow a China thing and shortly after, people were attacking Asians because somehow or rather if you're Asian, suddenly covid was all your fault. It was also just another excuse for racists to act out. Humans really are just that dumb.
People using the term anti semitic often fail to realize that the semitic people and culture not only contains Jews, but also levantine Arabs.
however, the name Semitic is a nazi invention that was originally directed towards Jews. part of their scientific racism.
it's kind of meaningless.
like Dwight claiming an Indian coworkers is Caucasian because he claims her people came from the Caucasus.
but yhea, if we step out of semantics, fuck Israel for this genocide and using the Jewish diaspora as shields.
^^^Yes, more people need to know about this because it’s a meaningless “gotcha”
however, I'll prefer if we included all Semitic people in the term.
because in a way, they are all related people.
Palestinians are ancestors of the ancient Canaanites just like jews are (if we ignore a lot of mixing with other genepools).
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I don't advocate adventurism, but important to note that violence against jews is different than violence against Israeli state actors.
Just in case this meme is referencing the recent shooting of two Israeli Embassy workers. Again, I don't advocate adventurism, but it's important to recognize a distinction between violence directed at an ethnic group and violence directed at government officials.
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This is so true. I remember hearing about the two Israeli officials who were shot and I was stuck thinking: " was this motivated out of antisemitism and he just happened to hit legitimate targets instead of some innocent folks, or was the guy actually acting out of rage and sadness for what he's seen in Gaza?". Nowadays it seems like you can't even tell immediately - like you've gotta wait for more info. It was a relief to find out that everyone who knew the shooter agreed that he was not antisemitic, and chose to platform justice for Gaza when asked about the shooter.
All the "buts" in this thread are reflective of why these Israeli government arguments work.
I wouldn't say israeli leaders are antisemitic, but they accuse their critics of antisemitism to pursue their authoritarian and colonial agenda with impunity.
hi spujb did u know the jews invented hash browns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latke
yes! shoutout jewish ppl
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