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[–] meowmeowbeanz@sopuli.xyz 185 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Oh, but it absolutely is true. Microsoft really did decide to use React Native for parts of the Windows 11 Start menu. They're also using it in sections of the Settings app.

The technical reality is even more absurd than the meme suggests. Microsoft is currently maintaining eight different UI frameworks for Windows, including their own .NET MAUI and WinUI 3 that were specifically built for their OS. Yet somehow they thought, "You know what this native operating system needs? A JavaScript framework originally designed for mobile apps."

The CPU usage spikes aren't necessarily from React Native itself being particularly heavyweight, but rather from the fundamental architectural choice of running a web-based rendering engine for core system UI elements. Every time you click Start, you're essentially launching a mini web application just to display a menu.

What's particularly galling is that Microsoft has acknowledged WinUI's performance issues for years, to the point where they recommend their partners use the older WPF for performance-critical applications. So instead of fixing their native framework, they decided to add another layer of abstraction.

This is what happens when corporate development teams prioritize "developer experience" and trendy frameworks over system efficiency. Richard Stallman's expression in that image perfectly captures the appropriate level of technical horror at this decision.

The old world built operating systems. The new world builds web apps that pretend to be operating systems.

[–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 21 points 3 days ago (5 children)

React Native doesn't render using a browser instance, it's native code (as the name implies), it's actually a layer over WinUI 3 (Previous versions used WPF/UWP)

So it's in the same boat as MAUI, which is also a layer over WinUI 3.

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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 308 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Holy fucking shit this isn't just a meme, wtaf is going on at Microsoft.

The FOSS aficionados of Lemmy will probably be quick to tell me it's always been shit, but this seems like a marked increase in bad decisions in the past 5-10 years

[–] brot@feddit.org 240 points 4 days ago (39 children)

If you go back to an older version of Windows, it becomes clear how bad Microsoft has become. Try Windows 95 and you'll be surprised how clean it is. How few distractions the OS is showing into your face. How tidy the menus are and they also give you little hints for the keyboard shortcuts

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 132 points 3 days ago (4 children)

little hints for the keyboard shortcuts

FYI, those are called menu mnemonics. 😊

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 106 points 3 days ago (4 children)
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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 70 points 4 days ago (6 children)

I look forward to a glirchy vibe coded OS that uses embeded AI for everything, yet some people still manage to turn into a demented semi-functional ecosystem. Probably mostly run by seniors and computer illiterate consumers who just "want latest tech" for bragging rights.

[–] RobertoOberto@sh.itjust.works 51 points 4 days ago (5 children)

glirchy

I love it when typos create new words that fit so well.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

I used to do V Dash contracts for MSFT.

I knew that the Xbox 360 3RR, red ring of death problem... was so bad, that it actually would have been more cost effective for MSFT to give each buyer two 360s, instead of one, at the same price, because of how mismanaged the RMA process was... I knew a whole bunch of such details a almost a decade before the documentary on it came out.

Yay NDAs.

...

I was also there during the Windows 8 rollout.

Shut down basically everything for a month, because MSFT 'dogfoods' all their software: Every MSFT worker is beta/alpha testing all MSFT software all the time.

We spent weeks just, unable to have more than 3 windows open at a time, half the tools we used on a daily basis just not working.

We asked them to let us go back to 7, asked them if therr was some way to return to a 7 like GUI.

For weeks they said nope, impossible, Win 8 is an entirely new GUI, totally new OS, the Win 7 GUI isn't there.

Oh then uh, weeks later, yeah, yeah it actually is there, you just have to follow this arcane override proceduren to see and use it.

... And then they just relented, put the non tablet UI fully back in, and called that Windows 8.1.

...

Windows is now layers upon layers upon decades of insane spaghetti code.

Even in Win 10, which was the last version I ever used... there are like 3 or 4 different eras of UI, for various settings menus, which people sometimes need to actually use... but they are considered legacy and thus not important.

Sometimes some newer era UI menus will have some of the options from some of the more buried stuff, but not all of them.

It is a gigantic fucking mess.

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[–] Jaderick@lemmy.world 49 points 4 days ago

Business majors.

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[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

it needs to check your license and onedrive files for DRM compliance. every click

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Don't they have like 9 graphics libraries and frameworks accross 4 languages already?

[–] livingcoder@programming.dev 16 points 2 days ago

I had to test it. That is wild.

[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 6 points 2 days ago

Switched to windows 10 a month or so ago just for ease of use with video games and mods. Man does windows suck ass. Wants to open random web pages, use dumb AI tools and give me useless info on every empty inch of screen space . At the end of the day it works but quality of life is low.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 51 points 3 days ago (20 children)

It's why I'm gonna change to Linux permanently come the end of Win10.

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[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Is it really? Does microsoft have no faith in its own user32 UI API?

[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Yeah, windows apps, even official ones are just a mix of react native apps.

https://microsoft.github.io/react-native-windows/

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[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 90 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Seriously? Got a link for that? (Not in a “I don’t believe you” way, but more of an “I’m curious to learn more” way)

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 76 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Somehow this is hard to google, so sorry for linking to reddit, but here's a thread where people are discussing it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1ctuz4w/the_recommended_section_in_start_menu_is_actually/

(edit: looks like someone found a better source elsewhere in the comments)

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 45 points 3 days ago

Not to mention the memory leak and how the "Start" process in Task Manager increase RAM usage every time you click that.

LOL

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[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago (4 children)
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[–] net00@lemm.ee 68 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Why are they even building native modern frameworks like WinUI only to use react native of all things...

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[–] nuko147@lemm.ee 42 points 3 days ago (1 children)

New CPU benchmark: 100 start menu clicks per second.

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 66 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

Fuck JavaScript in all its forms.

Ok, in a browser is fine. But HARD pass on electron and all this bullshit

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago

And it's a terrible app, at that. No organization, just either some random application links, or one giant list with no categories or organization past alphabetical.

[–] d00ery@lemmy.world 60 points 4 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Recently something has changed and the start menu likes to search for apps in its browser (not my default app). I used to press windows key then type "snip" for the screenshot tool, now half of the time is does the wrong thing ...

Also here's a link to post talking about react in the start menu https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30384494

[–] SatanClaus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yeah. It's quite obnoxious how bad they've made their OS and it's obvious they are FARMING searches on bing with these tactics lmao

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[–] Baguette@lemm.ee 23 points 3 days ago

Remember when discord changed its android app to use react native?

They fixed most of it by now but god it was terrible back then

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago (5 children)

AFAIK, React is a Single-Page Web Application that refreshes everytime something changes. It's benefits are fast load times and lower overhead because it ONLY updates things that are changed on re-render, but the downsides are that it relies on other libraries for things like multiple pages, etc.

So for it to be a Windows System application, yes that's fucking attrocious. Did you ever hear how angry people were about the Warcraft 3 update that added a bunch of webapp nonsense and bricked a lot of people's old copies? Well, that's basically what Windows 11 did.

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