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Switzerland mandates all software developed for the government be open sourced

Switzerland mandates software source code disclosure for public sector: A legal milestone

https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/new-open-source-law-switzerland

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Public money, public code!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

IMO this should be the case for everything developed using public money, looking at you, pharmaceutical companies...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But it will be written in Schwiizerdütch, so no one outside of Switzerland will understand it. I think it's a dialect of Perl.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

They'll do with Swiss dialect of Lisp with grüezi instead of define.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

This is the way it should be. Governments around the world have spent decades enriching big tech with public money, when they could have pooled their resources and built FOSS software that benefited everyone.

Same goes for science and everything else funded by tax payers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wwwaiiiiiittt... So does this mean OS too? Is an entire country switching to the dark side? Linux, I mean Linux

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Windows wasn't developed for the Swiss government, it was developed for the general public and we adopted it off the shelf."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Found the Swiss, can't even take a joke¡

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Meanwhile my country's apps don't let you open them if you have Developer Options enabled on android :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Same here, sure there's hacks and workarounds that don't require root... But still why the extra step...

I just want my window animation speed to be faster, why does that disqualify me from reading stuff sent to my government mailbox.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And they'll prob make it illegal for you to bypass and hide developer options because to them that means you're hacking them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Country: it’s illegal to have software development skills 🤡

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Open source will always be the best option, especially with a government supporting it! Imagine what government funding could do to accelerate improvements to Linux

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Tangential, but there's a long list of government github accounts here: https://government.github.com/community/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

All governments should take notice

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Switzerland being based af ngl 😎😎😎

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Everything about this post is annoying.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

Switzerland be W Rizz Skibidi af ngl 🤪

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"unless precluded by third-party rights or security concerns", so this bill does nothing

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

It does one thing: make every contract have a clause specifically to combat this...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I work for a company which creates software for the government. Super exited for more OSS projects.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

the government.

The Swiss government? What's it like?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Yep, the swiss government. Complicated is probably the best word to describe it. We are a very decentralized country (which makes sense for a country that was founded as a coalition to fight the royals that oppressed its people, none of those partners want someone to rule them) so every canton (state) does a lot of things differently than the other ones. But it is nice to see that after years of neglect they try to actually push digitalization by establishing common standards and systems.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wasn't there EU-wide law about it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Switzerland isn't in the EU

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It is however in the schengen area. so regulatory alignment on a lot of issues is still required as if they were members

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Not really, Schengen is for travel purposes mostly. Switzerland applies many EU regulations but that's "voluntary".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Been contracting for the Swiss government for years, namely ASTRA. They have 0 concept of how that should happen. It's their IP, but they don't want to take it, host it, maintain it, or do anything else with it once the project is done.

Do they just expect others to foot the bill? Sure, free GitHub exists, but everything else? Open sourcing without maintenance is abandonware and usually useless.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In contrast, abandoned open source software can be picked up and updated by whomever gets paid to, where abandoned closed source software needs to be reimplemented from scratch at great expense to the tax payer.

Not only that, open source software can be adopted by the community (who already paid for the development through their taxes) for their own purposes. Consider for example the productivity impact on business that starts using tools that it cannot afford to develop itself.

Office things like document management, workflow management, accounting, but also tools used in the science community, transport and logistics, anything that government does is represented in some other way in society.

This is a big deal and I hope that it will reverberate across the globe and become the new normal.

Whilst we're at it, consider the impact of open data, where government datasets are available to the community.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'll gladly upload my stuff into some repo they allow me to. I've inquired about it in the past - I wrote a piece of sw that fills a requirement hole left by a widely used SCADA tool - but they outright forbid it. That was about a year ago.

My point is less about open source and more about how they have no clue how to handle their IP even now. It's a nice gesture at best (at least currently. Maybe there's more on the way).

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Who is "they" in your statement?

If it's the company who is contracted by the government, it seems obvious (to me) that the requirements to make it open source provides the push to make it public.

If it's the government, then I don't understand your point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

the Swiss government, namely ASTRA.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

This doesn’t seem like a big deal?

The fact the code is open sourced is much less significant than the fact now the Swiss government will need to negotiate complete ownership of any software they commission.

That’s going to make things more expensive for them, and limit the vendors prepared to work with them.

Their systems, their call 🤷‍♂️