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    [–] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)
    [–] PillowTalk420@lemmy.world 86 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I'm something of a proprietary blob myself.

    [–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)
    [–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    You can get my source code but good luck compiling it.

    [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    9 month compile time?? We've gotta get these numbers down

    [–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

    Just multithread. If you get nine people pregnant you can have a baby in one month, right?

    [–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 6 points 1 week ago

    Ayy, not that fast, their blob is licensed under the BSL, get to know them a while first

    [–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 69 points 1 week ago (3 children)
    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 110 points 1 week ago (4 children)
    [–] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 1 points 4 days ago

    i been waiting for this so long

    [–] troed@fedia.io 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    oh wow that really put the trust back into Ventoy. Nice! Thanks for the link

    [–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 14 points 1 week ago

    Happened after a partner product in the Ventoy repo was found to have a pretty major vulnerability due to a... you guessed it, pre-compiled supply chain attack.

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago

    There is also a new community fork to get rid of the blobs and bad cert loading. The ventroy dev has made a bunch of concerning choices so some people hard forked the code. I forgot where is was though.

    [–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Took them over a year to say anything? I have since just gone back to burning single drives and honestly it's fine. Ventoy was convenient but taking a year to respond to a genuine concern is crazy.

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    I'm going to guess you've never been part of a project with complexity and sheer black magic fuckery comparable to Ventoy. The developer (a singular person) had to make a choice between:

    • Pandering to a small group of vocal open-source extremists, dedicating a large part of their time to changing the incredibly complex build process to also build the binaries of other open-source projects, potentially at the cost of stability, eventually arriving at a product with the same feature set, pleasing some open-source extremists, but still receiving criticism for "taking a year to respond to a genuine concern"; or
    • Not doing that and focusing their effort on stability and compatibility fixes to arrive at an improved product.

    I've read the original issue thread front to back, and it's a fucking clown show. I can't blame the developer for not wanting to engage with those people. Nobody is entitled to the developer's time or attention. Right now the issue is being worked on, which is more than most of the whiners can say about themselves; if you think that's still insufficient, do better.

    [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

    Mr Ventoy has too many problems

    [–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 0 points 1 week ago

    I don't think a simple statement of "I see your concern, I'll address it when I have time" is really that hard for one person to issue when the alternative is, as you've said, letting "a fucking clown show" fester on. It would've made my worries go away if the developer had said literally anything instead of radio silence for a year. Sure, no one is entitled to a developers time or attention. That developer is also not entitled to my trust or recommendation to others when a serious issue was swept under the rug for over a year. There's no doing better when it comes to a matter of personal opinion on how a situation was handled.

    [–] Lucien@mander.xyz 12 points 1 week ago

    Off topic, but I'd never heard of Ventoy before and looking at it now, holy shit, I wish I'd known about it sooner.

    Just open source blobs instead of proprietary blobs

    [–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    And here I am, marking unfree software as installable as the first thing I do on any distro.

    [–] BlaBlaBla@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    It's good that it's opt in

    Oh, agreed. There are definitely people who can live without unfree software. Me, I can't do without Steam and Lutris.

    [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    The NixOS default config has allowUnfree set to false, so it's not always opt-in

    [–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

    That sounds changeable and off by default. So how come you wouldn't say that is opt-in?

    [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

    Unfree apps are not allowed by default. You have to opt in to allow them.

    [–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

    I love OSS but I won’t sacrifice my experience just to go fully libre. Sometimes it just doesn’t make sense. I’m glad it’s an option for people who do want that though

    [–] i_am_hiding@aussie.zone 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I'll absolutely take FLOSS if I can get it, but failing that, FOSS is still a nice improvement over closed-source software.

    [–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
    [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Libre, which is synonymous with free.

    I think it's more free in some way? I'm not sure, but I think it means free as in doesn't cost anything. Whereas FOSS means free as in open and modifiable, but the maintainer(s) might still charge for it.

    [–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 6 points 1 week ago

    Its French for "free", as in freedom. Free is ambiguous and can also mean free of charge.

    [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I think those are backwards

    [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 week ago

    I thought they might be... you're probably right.

    [–] i_am_hiding@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

    Libre means "with little or no restriction," whereas Gratis means β€œat no monetary cost."

    [–] Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 week ago

    Ah yes, telegram

    [–] baggins@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Unzips my ghidra 😏

    [–] rickdg@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago
    [–] merci3@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    something something snap package

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Not a proprietary blob unless you install proprietary software

    [–] merci3@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I'm mentioning the "proprietary backend" drama around snaps. Not that I care too much, anyway. I use lots of proprietary software daily

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

    It isn't a "proprietary back end" it is what Stallman calls Service as a Software Substitute. (SaaSS) It wouldn't matter if they claimed it was completely foss. You are still using a foreign service you don't control.

    With a package manager that is sort of unavoidable though. In the case of snaps you could always modify the source to have a different repo. The real reason not to use snaps is all the other issues.

    [–] merci3@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

    Fair point. Just to be clear: I am NOT a developer, so I may be very wrong on that take.

    But from what I understand, the difference from what snaps does to what traditional packages does is that the Canonical repos are hard coded in it, thus making it harder to decentralise, and that's not very in line with what many wish for a FOSS ecosystem.

    [–] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)
    [–] neox_@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

    I can only recommend Guix system πŸ‘

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago

    Linux moment

    [–] andybytes@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago

    If the working conditions don't change computers will become a ball and chain Then deemed useless.