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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This is how a greedy person thinks. It's morbid, but fascinating.

I am not in a financial race against the people who do not tip. And if this guy thinks I am then he failed to factor in that people pleasers probably go a lot further socially in life and thus are likely to make more money. Maybe I tip not because I want to please, but because I have more expendable income than the average self-limiting greedy asshole.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think the richest people are the ones who want to please people the most, I think the less they want to please people, the richer they get. Then they run society with their wealth and the people pleasers are at their mercy

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The richest people, yes certainly. But they didn't get rich merely by not tipping, and the moron who wrote the tweet is certainly not that level of wealthy. I'm just talking about 99% of people, the working class.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

In the US, servers and restaurant staff tip like 100% of the time they go out because they know how important it is with our current pay laws, and they know that the waiter expecting that tip isn't the one making the laws or who deserves to be punished for them. So that tip is almost always going to someone else who also tips.

Btw, don't bother arguing with me that tipping is wrong so we shouldn't do it. I agree that it's wrong, but abstaining punishes the wrong people (servers, not owners or policymakers). So instead of writing a comment, write a letter to you local govt to eliminate sub-minimum wages for tipped workers, and keep tipping poor waiters and drivers til they change something.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

All the things I've read say that a majority of tipped workers (as well as the general population) prefer the current tips system. Maybe it's not true, but looking at the comments here it seems accurate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

They don't want to bite the hand that feeds them, literally. Its an expected response. Those that don't depend on tipping or who can look at a bigger picture are able to be less biased in most cases.

Let's be clear, paying someone 2$ an hour is never okay, tipping or not.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Former tipped employee here. This is probably correct, but I don't care. The majority is often wrong. They can be educated. Change is scary, and the people who benefit from the status quo demonize changes that will give them less power.

I would probably have made less money if paid a salary, but it would be worth it to not have to balance priorities between getting a good tip and following restaurant policies.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

I work at the most expensive restaurant in my town, FOH workers are paid $2.13 (regardless of tips) and servers have to tip out 30% to assistants and bar. If everybody stopped tipping one day then some of them will literally not even have the money to buy gas to go home.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

An expensive restaurant pays $2/hr and we think people tipping/not tipping is the problem?!

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The only way you can help increase the wages is to not tip, all it does is subsidize the owners

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Unfortunately as this very thread shows, a lot of Americans are mindbogglingly not in agreement about that. Which explains a lot about the current predicament of the country.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (15 children)
[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago (8 children)

If you're somewhere like Australia or Japan, where it's not a normal part of the culture, then fine

If you're somewhere in the US where the laws around pay are shitty, and people rely on tips to survive, then you're a cunt for not tipping

I think tipping is shit, and that people should just be paid properly, but I'm not blind to the realities of life when I travel. So I do what is appropriate to be a decent person

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I adjusted my tip to 10%. Yep they don't pay tax, so I adjusted accordingly

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (11 children)

I want to share my perspective on this as someone who works for tips.

I don't like tips in theory, but I'd be below the poverty line without tips so I really appreciate them. I also enjoy that they act as a mechanism to adjust my wage to the work I'm actually doing; I produce much more value as an employee on a busy day than when it's dead, and without tips I'd make the same amount despite working much more.

I think realistically, unless we also massively adjust how the labour economy works, eliminating tipping would make profits higher for owners and make service industry workers poorer.

Like I'd gladly trade my tips for universal basic income, I would not trade my tips for poverty wages.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wow what a massive adjustment to the labor economy that you give money to the workers what model on earth has something that advanced except every other nation almost on the planet that is not hyper capitalist class war pigs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago

I'd love for the place I work at to be an employee-owned co-op or something but those aren't really a thing around here, and sadly I'm not rich enough to start a business and open one myself.

Also, could you please cut back on the snarkiness a bit? It doesn't really make for pleasant conversation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I produce much more value as an employee on a busy day than when it’s dead, and without tips I’d make the same amount despite working much more.

You're not selling your work, you're selling your time. If you're at the restaurant on a slow day, you're not seeing your friends and family and you're not using your time however you want to. If you're spending the exact same amount of time at the restaurant on a slow day as on a busy day, you should take home the exact same amount of money and I'm having a hard time understanding why you would argue your employer's case of paying you less under any circumstances. I think it's a question of self-respect. Who gives a shit about "producing value" for someone else? You're there, sacrificing your time, and that's what you should get paid for. If your employer can't efficiently use the time they employed you for, that's their problem and never yours.

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