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The West was moving to the right — and then Donald Trump got elected again

Something is happening among America's allies, and it's a tremendous relief. For some years now, we've seen the MAGA-infused global right gaining a foothold amongst western democracies, largely driven by the same demagogic, nationalist, pseudo-populism that has fueled Donald Trump's dominance on the American right.

Some countries like Hungary have served as a sort of experiment for the kind of post-democratic autocracies dreamt of by the modern right wing in which government co-opts, intimidates and de-legitimizes the political opposition to create an authoritarianism that dominates the culture and the politics without a lot of overt violence.

But the rise of the far right among the Western allies seems to be stalling out.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

He only got reelected because Democrats seemed to care about twenty other things more than the working class. If they can't figure that out things are only going to get worse. They'll probably get worse no matter what, the only question is who people will blame. It should be the elite class but they'll blame poor voters on the other team and nonvoters instead.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

AFD is the biggest party in Germany. National Rally is the biggest party in France. Brothers of Italy is the ruling party in Italy. Reform UK has won a lot of local elections this year.

And as far as I know, the pro-Russian far-right party just won the presidential election in Romania by a large margin.

Support for right-wing parties is larger among young people than among older generations.

I don’t think Trump has postponed Europe’s path toward authoritarian antiglobalism in a meaningful way. I am frustrated about the present situation, and pessimistic about the future.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

They will certainly grow if (US) social media keeps dominating voters’ lives. For all the other factors and opposition screw ups, that’s the engine driving their rise.

But yeah, IDK what Salon is on about.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

in the future the trope is going to be "I'm going back in time to k--- Tr--p" and everyone has to stop them because it would mean the great global awakening would never happen

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

Something, something, Dune.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I feel it's more like a fluke than a rule. We all just got lucky. It's not like any of us are doing anything to prepare for that next election cycle. But I guarantee you that they are.

I seriously still see mailboxes in my neighborhood with flyers about conservative. They treated the election like they were Punk kids promoting their favorite band around town. They mobilized in ways the left only dream of and they didn't vaporize when they lost. They will come back more determined

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

I think that - on a global scale - a fair amount of people has cause to be grateful to Trump. Whether it's intended or not, he's tearing down the current geopolitical statu quo and waking up people politically.

On the flipside, I do worry that we narrowly avoided the fire in order to stay in the pan, to subvert the old saying. Over in Canada, we reelected a party that has a lot of flaws, and that their defining benefit is "isn't the conservative right". I'm glad we avoided a conservative sweep, but let's not pretend the shady opposition is significantly better.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Great news for 'the rest of the world' but I'd prefer not to deal with this shit here for 4 years as well god dammit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago

That demotivator about your role in life serving as a teachable moment to others bites hard

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 hours ago

*Looks at my fellow Brits*

[–] [email protected] 22 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

You're welcome rest of the world. Now be nice to those of us who have to suffer another 4 years.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 13 hours ago (9 children)

As long as you voted against him, yes.

If someone said "oh they're both the same" or "Kamala didn't make her position clear enough on ______" or any of the other excuses, they need to bear the full brunt of their (in)decision.

I've zero sympathy for those fools.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 12 hours ago

full brunt of their ~~(in)decision~~stupidity.

Fixed it. :3

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

Be nice to the people threatening to annex and bomb an ally... ? you be nice first.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 15 hours ago

Hopefully, Trump and his pals cause other nations to say "The Heritage Foundation is a terrorist organization." Just because Heritage doesn't directly kill people, doesn't change the fact that they will dismantle the world's universal healthcare, food standards, and more just to make some rich person feel good.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

We might actually get world peace, as for peace in America?…

[–] [email protected] 33 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Wish we could have done this before the fucker was elected.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

And it's not like we don't have this history where this failed before

[–] [email protected] 16 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Ironically the crazy economic shitstorm that Trump made might just be the wakeup call the world needed. Hopefully he doesn't get to reach the whole mass murder stage of his plans.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

What might be scary is if America's Auschwitz moment is revealed to be completely independent of administration. We've already heard many stories about ICE during each presidency, just that many details were hidden or unconfirmed.

It was the same way at the end of WW2. Even many Germans were aghast at what they'd been doing at the camps.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't that a bit problematic to say, though, in essence, you're implying that Trump isn't responsible for everything that's going on, which is a ridiculous claim, because assuming that there is all of this going on, but it was hidden up until now and Trump is only revealing it is not just a conspiracy theory, but a very, very dangerous one.

Just to be clear, I am not praising other administrations. There has been a big problem in USA administrations for a long time. But I wouldn't dare compare any recent administration to Trump's latest and even his last administration.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, you have to go where the evidence takes you, even if you don’t like the results. The best thing you could perhaps say about Biden or Obama, was simply that any of their direct participation in border patrol activities followed rule of law.

Generally, CBP/ICE has stayed above much direct scrutiny or supervision, and if an individual doesn’t have reporters, lawyers, or family asking after them (sometimes even then) a lot can be hidden even from administration.

It’s very likely Trump did not do much to “push” ICE’s behavior, he just enabled them, and they reward him by threatening his direct opponents.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Okay, show me the evidence. You are claiming that all trump did was enable them, when he is very clearly and publicly pushing a racist anti immigration agenda. Please show me how this and anyone else in recent years is the same.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

Some context:

The basic idea is, while Trump aims for very visible rhetoric to inflame his racist base, ICE's presence has still gone up regardless of which president is taking the chair. In fact, Biden beat Trump's deportation numbers (and I'm sure given his ego, he aims to inflate that further, and finds due process one of his obstacles).

One thing that can be said is that when ICE has been in the news, it was never visibly aiming for cruelty under Democratic presidents. But that's also only accounting for the cases that we know about. And, the last article points out how even through a full term, Biden not only failed to address the growing worries of cruel behavior within ICE, but built them a new quarter-billion-dollar headquarters.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I can't speak for all of us, but I don't think "the world" at large ever supported "Trumpism" and we largely have always thought him to be a gigantic tit and those who voted him into office TWICE to be idiotic or miseducated.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

If you replace "Trumpism" with "fascism", it has clearly been on the rise all around the world for a decade or so now, and it's taking over more and more countries all the time. However it's far from clear that we've reached any kind of turning point where fascism starts to become less popular worldwide, just because of some fairly limp election results in Canada and Australia.

[–] [email protected] 105 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fascism. It's called Fascism, not, "Trumpism."

So fucking stupid.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At this point, if a news outlet or politician refuse to call it what it is, I assume they actually approve.

So far it's most of them across the world.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think a lot of them are afraid of being censored by the fascism for being alarmist. And then trying to hold onto a position of relative power via information is a tricky one, because you have to balance not only your tv station, but the backers, your audience, your managers, your coworkers, your position, your career, and also your life. These people are really REALLY risk adverse, for many different reasons. I'm not justifying it, but I'm imagining this is at least the intuition that some may be working through. Explanation is not justification.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

So much for the 4th estate

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

That's been gone for a lonnnnng time. Capitalism killed it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 18 hours ago

And has the world said thank you, even once?

[–] [email protected] 270 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (24 children)

Celebrating prematurely. The UK is about to go fascist, Germany is teetering on the brink, and Canada only just dodged a bullet for now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

Yes. This didn't happen in the UK because, instead of standing up to Trumpism, Starmer is tacking to the far-right.

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