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[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 76 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (11 children)

Edit: Some salty commenters here. This isn’t my graph, just one I grabbed. Notes aren’t mine.

I’m a huge proponent for inflation adjusted livable minimum wage- which should be close to $30 an hour these days. Also hugely worried about our housing cost trends.

I’m only pointing out that expecting games to cost 40-60 for life is a little silly- yall still paying $.10 for a loaf of bread? I remember when games inched from $40 to $60 and everyone lost their minds- no one complains about it anymore. Don’t wanna pay retail? Wait for sales, bundles, used copies.

[–] MrVilliam@lemm.ee 74 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Okay, but now do housing and groceries and you'll see why people don't have extra money laying around for another Nintendo and its Mario kart.

Economics is significantly more complicated than a bar graph of inflation-adjusted video game price tags lol. Hell, even just value of each game in their respective release time period is more complicated than that. I doubt there's anything unique to this new game (other racing games have done the open world thing several times starting like 15 years ago), but the kart racer genre itself was new back in the 90s.

Okay, but now do housing and groceries and you'll see why people don't have extra money laying around for another Nintendo and its Mario kart.

Okay. So, they won't buy one then.
Yeah, people don't make enough money, I agree.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is a valuable way of seeing how prices have changed in different ways for different categories, just since 2000.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 2 weeks ago

In fairness here, it's not Nintendo's fault we let landlords gobble up all our spare money.

Maybe they need to send Luigi to have a word.

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[–] PineRune@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Edit: these notes have been addressed in OP's post

Note: Salary growth has outpaced inflation.

You know what else has outpaced inflation? The cost of living. Purchasing power for middle and lower class people is far less than what it used to be. "Inflation" doesn't account for that.

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

this argument is so fucking dumb

Volume of video game sales has changed monstrously over the years as it moved from a niche hobby to mainstream

SNES Mario kart - 8.76 million copies sold worldwide Switch Mario kart 8 - 67.34 million copies sold world wide.

SNES mario kart (inflation adjusted) earnings - 1,095,000,000 Switch Mario kart earnings - 5,252,520,000

Game dev budgets have obviously exploded in that time and nintendo doesn’t disclose their budgets but on average its estimated snes titles got about 1-2 million and switch/wii u titles got 30ish million. That’s a sizable increase in development that wildly outpaces inflation, for sure, but their earnings obviously did too.

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[–] Zomg@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Games are also much easier to distribute now than they ever where, saving cost.

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[–] RadicalEagle@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

But isn’t it easier if I just ignore the nuance of economics and just place all the blame for my unhappiness on corporate greed?

I think it’d also be interesting to see the total production cost of each Mario Kart, and a total sales/revenue generated by each game.

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago

Nintendo games never go on sale. And if somebody buys a Switch game, dumps the ROM, and sells it to you, your Nintendo account gets banned because the ID in the header matches the one being distributed over the Internet.

[–] FreshLight@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

To your edit: Exactly! The only problematic trend I see is that physical copies are getting more scrace.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 39 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

The Mario part. You can copy the Kart part all day. They've been doing so since at least the 64. See:

  • Diddy Kong Racing

  • Crash Team Racing

  • Burger King Pocketbike Racer

[–] ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] applemao@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I love tuxcart but I can never find anyone else playing? Is the player base just that small?

[–] ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Tbh I have no idea. I've only ever played single-player!

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[–] StaticFalconar@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

Crash Team Racing Nitro-Fueled: A remaster of the classic

PlayStation kart racer, featuring Crash Bandicoot and his friends.

Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed: Characters from SEGA franchises race in vehicles that transform into boats and planes.

Diddy Kong Racing: Race with Diddy Kong and his friends in karts, planes and hovercraft.

Team Sonic Racing: A kart racer where you work together in teams, using team moves and ultimate abilities.

Nickelodeon Kart Racers Series: Features characters from various Nickelodeon shows.

Disney Speedstorm: A kart racer featuring characters from Disney and Pixar franchises.

KartRider: Drift: A free-to-play kart racer with a focus on drifting.

Lego Racers: Build and race Lego vehicles on various tracks.

Garfield Kart Furious Racing: Race as Garfield and his friends on themed tracks.

Konami Krazy Racers: Race as characters from Konami's popular franchises.

Blur: Combines arcade racing with vehicular combat and power-ups.

ModNation Racers: Features track creation and customization.

LittleBigPlanet Karting: Brings the creativity of LittleBigPlanet into a kart racing experience.

F1 Race Stars: A more arcade-style take on Formula 1 racing.

SuperTuxKart: An open-source kart racing game.

Starlit Kart Racing: A free-to-play kart racer with a variety of game modes.

[–] Undearius@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Konami Krazy Racers

I wonder why they didn't got for something like "Konami Krazy Karting"

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[–] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You have the best list here, but you forgot Wipeout series. Futuristic racing with weapons, set to electronic music.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Crash Team Racing PS1 was IMHO better than Mario Kart N64. The wumpa fruit added a neat dimension, and the ability to select weapons for battle mode was great.

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[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Make sure you put two line breaks between every new line. Otherwise it kinda comes out as a blob. You can also use a dash and a space before each entry to get a bullet point.


Played a copy of Crash Team Racing a bit ago. Had a real good time with it.

[–] StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

Party animals has an almost 1:1 in terms of gameplay ripoff of Mario kart

[–] Davel23@fedia.io 6 points 2 weeks ago

There's a third Sonic racing game called Sonic and SEGA All Stars Racing.

[–] Mirodir@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 weeks ago

Out of curiosity: did you partly use AI to make this list? Some of the short descriptions read very oddly for a forum post, e.g. the "various tracks" part on Lego Racers.

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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 weeks ago
[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Super Tux Kart

[–] ryokimball@infosec.pub 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Also, Sonic Robo Blast 2 Kart

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[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

If I'm not mistaken, a large component of Nintendo's power comes from Japanese copyright laws being far more pro-copyright holder and Nintendo uses it to its full potential. In Japan, this sometimes results in prison sentences and often big fines. it's also applied outside the country against a consortium of universal copyright recognizing countries and so it can affect you regardless of your location although I forget how exactly.

To @AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 's point, perhaps it is the weak qualifications for Japanese patents which have allowed Nintendo to bully everyone.

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[–] Jeffool@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Basically every kind of game needs a "MUGEN" for that genre. Then we just put in the content we want and theme it appropriately.

[–] hexabs@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Does SuperTuxKart fit the bill?

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[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's crazy this hasn't happened yet. Kart racers are conceptually very simple games and are all very similar. CTGP kinda does this but is limited by Mario Kart's engine.

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[–] Chozo@fedia.io 12 points 2 weeks ago

If you wanted to make a Mario Kart clone, copyright is easy enough to avoid. Nearly every other second-rate dev studio has managed to make a half-baked Mario Kart ripoff for whatever Nick Jr show they got the licensing to, so that part's simple.

The real issue is navigating the patent minefield that Nintendo has laid out.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Break out DOSBox and fire up Wacky Wheels from Apogee

...... Not particularly more recently there was a Crash Team Racing remake

Honestly coming up blank for anything else recentish in that genre

[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Wacky wheels was my jam

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The world needs wacky wheels again

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[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 9 points 2 weeks ago

Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed is oddly slept on. Great kart racer.

A low enough amount that Warframe has a mario Kart esque minigame available in game

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The Wii is still a good platform

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[–] Tuxman@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

Modded Wii U playing online on Pretendo Network 😚👌

[–] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Haven't seen Dr Robotnik's Ring Racers mentioned yet. Open source game based on the Freedoom engine.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

I was going to buy a switch 2 (or attempt to), but at that cost… hell no. Not without dinner first.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

If you haven't tried modded Mario Kart Wii before, you're missing out.

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