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To win back support, the Democratic candidate must offer a positive and coherent vision centered on care and progressive policies, rather than relying solely on anti-Trump rhetoric.

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[–] Skanky@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

As a leftist, it absolutely boggles my mind how utterly naive and stupid other leftists and Democrats can be. No, you don't need more great policies - policies are not going to win you the election. We already have great policies.

Republicans don't give a flying fuck about policy. You know what they are really good at though? Fucking voting!

As much as I know you will hate to hear this, the only thing that is going to prevent you from Republican fascism next year is to spread the word and vote against these idiots who are poised to win in 2024. Do whatever it takes to get the apathetic voters out of their goddamn chairs and vote blue in November.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

As much as I know you will hate to hear this, the only thing that is going to prevent you from Republican fascism next year is to spread the word and vote against these idiots who are poised to win in 2024. Do whatever it takes to get the apathetic voters out of their goddamn chairs and vote blue in November.

And never miss any election again - especially LOCAL elections, where your vote is likely a much larger fraction, and where the impacts are more likely to be clearly felt on your daily life. I actually get reasonably progressive democrats on the ballot here, and you probably do too. Go vote for them.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I disagree. One thing I think Democrats have been missing has been a vision for the future. The closest we got was Obama's "Hope & Change" which didn't have any real meat to it. Having a clear set of policy goals that people can get excited about will drive voter turnout, thus beating the Republicans.

I see tons of people complaining that the Democrats don't have any policies except "We're not Republicans." That on its face should be good enough, but since it's not maybe doing something else would help. And don't just make it for 2025, but a permanent change. Like how the Republicans worked for decades to overturn Roe v. Wade.

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think that not having or discussing policies is a feature not a bug.

It started with the GOP and the DNC pick up on it. The idea being that if you don't talk about a policy then your opponent can't attack you for it. Instead every election cycle politicians talk in big generalities and no real substance because it's a safer strategy.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (47 children)

Democrats would rather lose than embrace progressives.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Not just Democrats "centrists" in basically any western nation.

Just look at macron allying with the right so the leftists that just absolutely saved him and his party from being wiped out by RN, can't form a government.

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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

What would it take to implement even a part of the Nordic model social welfare here in the U.S.?

Not an economist, but I think it would take taxing corporations a fair share of the resources, human and otherwise, they enjoy.

So much wealth is misappropriated as undeserved CEO pay, and restructuring CEO pay even just a little to allow paying for greater corporate taxes will create enough revenue from taxes and implement social welfare for 100s of millions.

Housing support for families and individuals who need it, free healthcare for all, and free K-12 education for all should be a bare minimum. Moreover, if people are losing work and income due to AI, there needs to be retraining.

But why do all this? Why reduce suffering and misery? Less worry about money and health = happier lives = stronger bodies and minds = more resilient people = communities which can withstand shocks from natural or manmade disasters. In some way, having stronger communities ensures homeland security.

More than that, everything which supports the work of corporations relies on civilized society and the structure gained from civilization. These are the basics which are ignored in favor of shortsighted policy making benefiting only the greedy.

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[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the best counter would be to get money out of politics. These groups and massively wealthy individuals only have power because many politicians will do anything to get that money.

Stop letting them buy influence. Make it hard to find a loophole. And actually punish people for violating campaign finance laws.

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They'd win in a landslide if they brought forward a plan to make this happen... But they'd rather lose the election than lose their sugar daddy corporations.

Can we shorten it to PP2025? I feel like Progressive Project 2025 is kind of a mouthful.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

I still think it's ridiculous that both candidates had a debate before they even worked out a manifesto/program. Like, I know in the US the campaigns aren't ever about policy, but they're not even trying to have that pretense.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

the best counter to fascism is socialism

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[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I didn't care about a progressive project 2025. I want guardrails that neuter project 2025 from being an effective project 2029.

Voters have very short memories and Cheeto Mussolini losing doesn't mean that this repugnant bullshit won't be enacted in the future.

We need federal court reform.

Protections for non appointed federal employees.

Protections for women's health.

Protections for voting rights.

Protections for religions (of and from).

And probably dozens of other things to make sure project 2025 doesn't become project 2029.

We cannot wait for the religious right to act before we respond. We have to respond now. They have shown us their hand and they think we are too weak to stop them. It is time we relegate their views and ideals to the trash heap in which they belong.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] jonne@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

Knowing how great democrats are at branding, they'll 100% call it that and nobody will be able to work out which is which after everyone's done muddying the waters.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (9 children)

So-called "progressive" politics is a piss-poor substitute for radical politics.

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