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Summary

U.S. stocks tumbled Thursday as market volatility continued after Trump’s abrupt 90-day tariff pause and raised tariffs on Chinese imports to 145%.

On CNN, former Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen called Trump’s economic policies the “worst self-inflicted wound” an administration had ever imposed on a “well-functioning economy.”

The Dow dropped 2.5%, Nasdaq 4%, and S&P 500 3.4%. Trump tried to defend the move as strategic leverage.

Critics condemned the chaos and raised insider trading concerns after Trump told subscribers it was a “great time to buy.”

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Could this whole situation really be as simple as the largest scale "pump-and-dump" ever?

[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, because the damage he has done is ongoing and could literally bring the USD down from the preferred security of the world economy.

And if he does that, then all that speculative wealth in our still-inflated stock market is worth tittlywinks.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

They're gonna cash it out in RMB, not leave it in US stocks.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe, but there's always the likelihood it's even stupider than that

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

Ah. Hanlon’s Razor: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Call it ‘strategic leverage’ all you want, but when your move tanks the market and raises insider trading red flags, it starts to look less like policy and more like profiteering in a patriotic hat. 😏

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I like on CNBC tried to cut him short when he said what he said. Was watching it live since I've been enjoying this whole melt down.

While CNBC has been kind of neutral but trying to justify the means to the end this guy came up and said it like it is. We are close if not already in a recession thanks to these idiots.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This is a question for anyone:

I can’t find a good definition of a fiscal recession. I understand that it involves “multiple months of downward trends” on things like GDP.

Exactly how long does the downturn have to last before they declare that it is officially a period of recession? Is it really just 2 months or more?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's usually two quarters. By the time we are officially in recession we have been for half a year.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Also, it's not two quarters of the stock market being down, but GDP. What's being talked about in this article is the stock market. I mean, yeah, they're linked, but the stock market is going to be considerably more-volatile and reflects investor beliefs about future economic activity. After some bouncing around, the S&P 500 is down something like 10% as of today since the beginning of the month. US GDP has not dropped 10% in the past week-and-a-half.

EDIT:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okun%27s_law

Okun's law states that a one-point increase in the cyclical unemployment rate is associated with two percentage points of negative growth in real GDP.

If we'd had the GDP fall off by 10% in the past week and a half, we'd expect something like one in twenty Americans to have lost their jobs in the past week and a half.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I don’t think the GDP is a great defining factor of economic emergency, in that words like “recession” have to be declared before the country treats the problem seriously. Assuming that growth is going to happen forever in a finite world is naive. And there are serious problems in the economy happening despite the GDP, like increasing poverty and lack of education or healthcare.

So like, my frustration is that “recession” has to be said before the government freaks out and attempts to fix things, but things are already really bad in ways that matter far more.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

Now that Trump's fucking with rich people it'll be interesting to see if the millionaire class does anything about it. I still doubt they will.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

The stink of the Orange Turds policies are still hitting the markets.