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In the first week of January, I received a letter from the Berlin Immigration Office, informing me that I had lost my right of freedom of movement in Germany, due to allegations around my involvement in the pro-Palestine movement. Since I’m a Polish citizen living in Berlin, I knew that deporting an EU national from another EU country is practically impossible. I contacted a lawyer and, given the lack of substantial legal reasoning behind the order, we filed a lawsuit against it, after which I didn’t think much of it.

I later found out that three other people active in the Palestine movement in Berlin, Roberta Murray, Shane O’Brien and Cooper Longbottom, received the same letters. Murray and O’Brien are Irish nationals, Longbottom is American. We understood this as yet another intimidation tactic from the state, which has also violently suppressed protests and arrested activists, and expected a long and dreary but not at all urgent process of fighting our deportation orders.

Then, at the beginning of March, each of our lawyers received on our behalf another letter, declaring that we are to be given until 21 April to voluntarily leave the country or we will be forcibly removed. The letters cite charges arising from our involvement in protests against the ongoing genocide in Gaza. None of the charges have yet led to a court hearing, yet the deportation letters conclude that we are a threat to public order and national security.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

Germany is weird, they are like "never forget, we can never let this happen ever again" but also "yes Israel sweety, you can genocide, don't worry, you are special ❤️"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Western free democracy. The EU is definitely the last defence against the fascism of America, only now, after the election of 2024 of course

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Got banned from [email protected] for this posting this there lol.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Germans are always correct when it comes to fascism & genocide; just ask them. /s

Guilt Pride: A German Vanity Project Conquering the World

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Looking at the mod log, it seems you were banned because you called the German authorities Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

They just took down the post too, which had no mentions of nazis, so I think they just don't want this subject brought up, just like ml doesn't want Chinese human rights violations brought up.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I called the genocide supporting German authorities which are deporting protestest 'Nazis'?

How rude of me. I should have thought about how that makes all the genocide supporting Germans feel.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

It's kind of a big deal, under German law. So a server hosted in Germany would have to take the word seriously even if they were privately supportive.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

You are aware that this term has quite a different connotation on a primarily German-speaking instance than in most places on the internet? There's nothing wrong with the link you posted. It's the polemics that have gotten you banned, so there's no reason to frame it the way you did.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

Maybe if Germans don't like being called Nazis, they should stop persecuting people for speaking out about a regime that is actively attempting to ethically cleanse and genocide an entire race and culture.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

You would hope those Germans would recognize their government acting like Nazis and agree that their government are being Nazis for deporting people protesting against genocide.

Instead they pick up the Hugo Boss boots and lick them squeaky clean. Absolutely disgusting.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can you explain how the connotation is different?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"Nazi" is much more strongly associated with the original National Socialists that sent people to the gas chambers and ghettos. It's not just a drop-in replacement for "fascist" or "far right", like it has become in places like the US. It's kinda hard to describe the weight it carries, considering how much use it gets on the internet. If you called a policeman a Nazi in Germany, you'd have to pay a hefty fine.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

You mean like putting 2 million people in a concentration camp and then starving them to death?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ah… alright. Does it make a difference if the label is applied to someone who is following the actual beliefs and platform of the National Socialists (aka Neo Nazis)?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Neo-Nazis are called Nazis because their beliefs are still the same. It's just not used as a blanket term for other right-wing or authoritarian ideologies.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Well the Link conveniently leaves out that the reason for their removal proceedings wasn't just for protesting, but for participating in violently occupying a university building, while threatening the staff with axes and metal bars, and doing property damages up to 100.000€, which is a pretty heavy crime in Germany (Landesfriedensbruch)

This is not a trivial matter, but the accounts of what happened differ widely. According to an answer from the Berlin Senate to a minor question from November 2024, around 40 people are said to have stormed the building. "The squatters attempted to drag employees out of their offices. The attackers were also masked and armed with axes, saws, crowbars and clubs," it says. The LKA's descriptions in the expulsion notices read less brutal, but still threatening. They speak of 20 people who had gained access to the building, graffitied the walls and destroyed the technical equipment. They are said to have carried crowbars or “cow feet” with them. They are said to have tried to break down a door to a room in which a very frightened FU employee had barricaded himself. Axes, saws and clubs are not mentioned. Following the occupation, arrests were made. Ten suspects - including the four activists - are said to have tried to prevent this.

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https://www.lto.de/recht/hintergruende/h/abschiebung-ausweisung-palaestina-aktivisten-rechtswidrig-eugh-freizuegigkeit-berlin

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

What does "participating" entail? This particular individual, what did they do in particular? Guilt by association is either bullshit or should be used to punish every fucking Israeli citizen who has ever served in the genocidal IDF. Do you think that last bit's a bit crazy? Well, yea, that's the point, isn't it. Guilt by association is bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They have not been charged with anything related to that protest, and there is no evidence they even entered the building, much less threatened anyone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Thanks, I appreciate the context. Though the post itself was not removed, which makes it clear that the link wasn't the reason for the ban.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

The Germans never really de-Nazified. They opted to support Israel no matter what as the price of readmission into the West.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I got banned from there for disagreeing with someone who said China practices family annihilation and organ harvesting, lol.

That's Europeans for you I suppose.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

RadioFreeAsia said they had an anonymous source telling them this and RFA is bankrolled by USAID making them a very credible source!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Lol, not surprised. Though in this case it was some American NGO called "safeguard defenders"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I got banned in Memes at lemmy.ml, because I mentioned that the USSR wasnt that perfect.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

By "mentioned that the USSR wasn't perfect" you mean "claimed that the USSR forced women to get science degree or be executed."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Which got mentioned by other commenters which I just repeated.

Researching about this topic, shows that I get the same answers.

If my knowledge is wrong, then it shall be corrected. The only rules in this community was by not being rude and by needing to be nice to each other. And not being pro-communism at all cost.

And banning someone just because he either found something negative about the USSR is kinda stupid. Even when the knowledge is wrong, it should become a discussion where people exchange resources and realise the flaws.

So my context in that discussion was about "Why the USSR isn't perfect like they constantly brag about" as far as I remember.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Well here's the thing, obviously what you said isn't true, and obviously you know that if you've done even basic research, so what you're doing is deliberately spreading things you know to be false as a form of trolling.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Uhm. Like I said, I literally quoted other comments and even good search results saying this to me. Its not trolling if you acyuslly believe it. Just because you hate when someone literally believes something wrong, doesnt mean he is a troll.

And no, a basic research could hide the truth fact, so I could obviously do a deep biased search.

Its obvious that I wasnt trolling. Or else I would literally fight for being right. But no, I was just stating this onto a comment. Thats it. And afterwards I was explaining myself from where I have this knowledge. A troll would literally work differently and never say its from other comments there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

I mean, you can stop playing dumb now. We both know you don't actually believe that and you haven't found any evidence that it's true. If you had, after all, you'd have presented it, rather than just endlessly going "oh I definitely found lots of evidence, totally!".

So yeah, you're trolling.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Starting to think a ban from there should be considered a rite of passage.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Israel is fast tracking authoritarianism in Europe with the help of their fascist friends in Germany.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Didnt AFD won in the East of germany? The extremest right party that called Hitler a left wing?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Yes but the AfD is basically like the rest of German politicisns but more honest.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Germany, the root of all evil.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago