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In the first week of January, I received a letter from the Berlin Immigration Office, informing me that I had lost my right of freedom of movement in Germany, due to allegations around my involvement in the pro-Palestine movement. Since I’m a Polish citizen living in Berlin, I knew that deporting an EU national from another EU country is practically impossible. I contacted a lawyer and, given the lack of substantial legal reasoning behind the order, we filed a lawsuit against it, after which I didn’t think much of it.

I later found out that three other people active in the Palestine movement in Berlin, Roberta Murray, Shane O’Brien and Cooper Longbottom, received the same letters. Murray and O’Brien are Irish nationals, Longbottom is American. We understood this as yet another intimidation tactic from the state, which has also violently suppressed protests and arrested activists, and expected a long and dreary but not at all urgent process of fighting our deportation orders.

Then, at the beginning of March, each of our lawyers received on our behalf another letter, declaring that we are to be given until 21 April to voluntarily leave the country or we will be forcibly removed. The letters cite charges arising from our involvement in protests against the ongoing genocide in Gaza. None of the charges have yet led to a court hearing, yet the deportation letters conclude that we are a threat to public order and national security.

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 39 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Got banned from Europe@Feddit.org for this posting this there lol.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Germans are always correct when it comes to fascism & genocide; just ask them. /s

Guilt Pride: A German Vanity Project Conquering the World

[–] Hubi@feddit.org 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Looking at the mod log, it seems you were banned because you called the German authorities Nazis.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I called the genocide supporting German authorities which are deporting protestest 'Nazis'?

How rude of me. I should have thought about how that makes all the genocide supporting Germans feel.

[–] Hubi@feddit.org 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (19 children)

You are aware that this term has quite a different connotation on a primarily German-speaking instance than in most places on the internet? There's nothing wrong with the link you posted. It's the polemics that have gotten you banned, so there's no reason to frame it the way you did.

[–] Zero22xx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 8 months ago

Maybe if Germans don't like being called Nazis, they should stop persecuting people for speaking out about a regime that is actively attempting to ethically cleanse and genocide an entire race and culture.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

You would hope those Germans would recognize their government acting like Nazis and agree that their government are being Nazis for deporting people protesting against genocide.

Instead they pick up the Hugo Boss boots and lick them squeaky clean. Absolutely disgusting.

[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Can you explain how the connotation is different?

[–] Hubi@feddit.org 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

"Nazi" is much more strongly associated with the original National Socialists that sent people to the gas chambers and ghettos. It's not just a drop-in replacement for "fascist" or "far right", like it has become in places like the US. It's kinda hard to describe the weight it carries, considering how much use it gets on the internet. If you called a policeman a Nazi in Germany, you'd have to pay a hefty fine.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago

You mean like putting 2 million people in a concentration camp and then starving them to death?

[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ah… alright. Does it make a difference if the label is applied to someone who is following the actual beliefs and platform of the National Socialists (aka Neo Nazis)?

[–] Hubi@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Neo-Nazis are called Nazis because their beliefs are still the same. It's just not used as a blanket term for other right-wing or authoritarian ideologies.

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[–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 4 points 8 months ago

The Germans never really de-Nazified. They opted to support Israel no matter what as the price of readmission into the West.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

It's kind of a big deal, under German law. So a server hosted in Germany would have to take the word seriously even if they were privately supportive.

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 4 points 8 months ago

They just took down the post too, which had no mentions of nazis, so I think they just don't want this subject brought up, just like ml doesn't want Chinese human rights violations brought up.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I got banned from there for disagreeing with someone who said China practices family annihilation and organ harvesting, lol.

That's Europeans for you I suppose.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

RadioFreeAsia said they had an anonymous source telling them this and RFA is bankrolled by USAID making them a very credible source!

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago

Lol, not surprised. Though in this case it was some American NGO called "safeguard defenders"

[–] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago (13 children)

I got banned in Memes at lemmy.ml, because I mentioned that the USSR wasnt that perfect.

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[–] MTK@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

Germany is weird, they are like "never forget, we can never let this happen ever again" but also "yes Israel sweety, you can genocide, don't worry, you are special ❤️"

[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago

Western free democracy. The EU is definitely the last defence against the fascism of America, only now, after the election of 2024 of course

[–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 5 points 8 months ago

Israel is fast tracking authoritarianism in Europe with the help of their fascist friends in Germany.

[–] Arehandoro@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

Germany, the root of all evil.

[–] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Didnt AFD won in the East of germany? The extremest right party that called Hitler a left wing?

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

Yes but the AfD is basically like the rest of German politicisns but more honest.

[–] undeffeined@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago
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