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    [–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Idk, it's a hobby. There's no problem with new distros. If they're good, they take off, if not, it's going to be a niche project. No issue at all.

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    [–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    I'd say actually a bit of the opposite. Generally speaking we don't need a new package manager or init system, and better hardware support is almost entirely a kernel concern (one might make an argument that the loose bits of key management and tpm2 tools and authentication agents could be better integrated for "Windows Hello" type function I suppose, but I doubt that's what the meme had in mind.

    Not really needing to reinvent the wheel on those, we got a variety of wheels, sometimes serving different sensibilities, sometimes any difference in capability went away long ago (rpm/dnf v. deb/apt).

    The best motivation I can think of at this point is to make specialty distribution that is 'canned' toward a specific use case. Even then it's probably best to be an existing distribution under the covers. I think Proxmox is a good example, it's just Debian but installer made to just do Proxmox. You want to do automated installation? Just use Debian and then add Proxmox (the official recommendation), because they have no particular insight on automated deployment, so why not just defer to an existing facility?

    The biggest conceptual change in packaging has been "waste as much disk as you like duplicating dependencies to avoid conflicting dependencies", maybe with "use namespace and cgroup isolation to better control app interactions" and we have snap, flatpak, appimage, and nix very well covering the gamut for that concept.

    For init, we have the easy to modify sysv init, or the more capable but more inscrutable systemd. I don't see a whole lot of opportunity between those two sorts of options already.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

    It's usually easier to criticize something than to go through the effort of understanding it. Posts like the OP are an example of that.

    ... And ironically, your post is doing the same thing here with software packaging:

    The biggest conceptual change in packaging has been β€œwaste as much disk as you like duplicating dependencies to avoid conflicting dependencies”,

    Nobody is perfect, so it's important to keep an open mind about things, especially when one don't understand them, and especiallyΒ² when one thinks they understand them as it's always possible to be wrong (unless they don't care about going through life as an ignorant asshole. Plenty of people thrive like that.)

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    [–] [email protected] 76 points 2 days ago
    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

    Sorry, the best I can do is busybox as init.

    [–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    All the different distros are all about the vibe and not a lot else. The Linux kernel remains pretty much the same and we just choose different window dressings.

    I suppose we could role it all back to Debian Stable and Slackware I guess. Do we need a "Distro Thanos?" Besides, without all those different distros, how you gonna surf?

    So don't harsh the vibes man.

    [–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

    < Do we need a Distro Thanos? > Ubuntu has enough snaps for all the distros!

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    [–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

    Choose a distro by the default wallpaper.

    [–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

    By logo openSUSE ftw

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

    In that case uwuntu for life.

    [–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago
    [–] [email protected] 222 points 2 days ago (7 children)

    Cybersecurity engineers and pentesters don't need Kali or Parrot. You don't need Proxmox to use LXC and KVM. You don't need OpenMediaVault to have Samba and NFS shares. You don't need Clonezilla to make use of the OCS toolkit. You don't need LMDE to have a Debian OS with Cinnamon and nonfree drivers installed, or Endeavour to have Arch with KDE Plasma.

    But it's sure as shit good to have everything packed together and preconfigured by professionals.

    [–] [email protected] 66 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    Or if not professionals at least someone who knows more about it than yourself.

    [–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago

    And even if they don't, they know enough to do it to a level I am happy to not bother doing it myself.

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    [–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    Clonezilla is more like an app that comes with an OS on a liveCD for convenience, as it's troublesome to use the very OS you're cloning.

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    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

    Sounds like a perfect application for Nix, IMO. Either ship a flake or a NixOS config module, and you’re set.

    The only disadvantage I can see is the unusual directory structure of NixOS.

    [–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)
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    [–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago

    Nah. Push them out like rabbits do with their babies. Let them fight and see which ones prevail!

    [–] [email protected] 130 points 2 days ago (8 children)

    Actually, create as many distros as you like and can!

    [–] [email protected] 52 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Hannah Montana 2: Electric Boogaloo Distro Incoming!!!!!!

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    [–] [email protected] 98 points 2 days ago (8 children)

    I mean, bait aside, creating a new distro with an existing package manager allows you to set up a different set of default packages and even add your own new/updated ones. That's the value of it there.

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    [–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

    They can go ahead and create all they want. I just wont use any of them unless they give me a reason.

    [–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

    Exactly! Nobody has to listen to OP and change plans because OP doesn't approve! Like you, OP is free to NOT use the product!

    [–] [email protected] 68 points 2 days ago

    Or do, that guy isn't your boss. If he is, what are you doing listening to him about non work stuff he seems like a gatekeeper kina guy.

    [–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    We already have NixOS, why anything else?

    (Guix is cool too).

    [–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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    [–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Or a new based DE, like with new libs and frameworks for making ui

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)
    [–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

    Make your own framework just to own the libs.

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    [–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    No need to make a new distro, just package it into NixOS

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

    Just a reminder that nix packages works on most any distro, and then they work like other universal packages, but without the sandboxing

    NixOS is just when you take this to the logical conclusion and have every part of the distro packaged in Nix, including configuring your OS, and optionally your users configuration files as well.

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    [–] [email protected] 66 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    But what if... I took Debian, and disguised it as my own distro? Ho ho ho! Delightfuly devilish, Seymore!

    [–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    I daily Debian because I realized all of the distros I tried and liked were Debian based. That was 20 years ago.

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    [–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

    Hardware support is not really the province of distro, to me. Which makes them even more ridiculous.

    [–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    I mean Linux wouldn't be as it is actually without Hannah Montana Linux and Justin Bieber Linux

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