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The original article in German is here.

  • Victor Gao, ex-interpreter to politician Deng Xiaoping and now Beijing's mouthpiece, promotes China's line in the West.
  • In the midst of economic problems, China is trying to win back Europe as a partner - on the condition that it does not criticize Beijing.

Where other Chinese experts remain silent because the new anti-espionage law forces them to be cautious, Victor Gao [once Deng Xiaoping's interpreter, now vice president of a government-affiliated think tank and figurehead for China's propaganda] talks. And how. Whether CNN, BBC or al-Jazeera - everyone gets it from him, the party line, eloquently packaged and charmingly served.

[...]

His current mission: to woo Europe, while relations with the West are crumbling under the weight of Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang, corona and closing ranks with Russia.

[...]

Victor Gao demands: "Wake up from your American nightmare." And immediately delivers the Chinese offer: less morality, more market. China as a "resource", not a rival.

[...]

But behind the smile lurks geopolitical calculation.

After all, NATO has long been seen as the enemy, and Western democracies are described in China's state media as decadent, refugee-ridden orders. At the same time, Gao preaches closing ranks in interviews - as long as Europe refrains from any criticism of Beijing.

[...]

Victor Gao, who translated Deng's words into the international arena in the 1980s, embodies China's transformation: from an aspiring reformist state to an autocratically controlled superpower under Xi Jinping.

What used to be openness is now demarcation - and yet: economic hardship is forcing China back towards rapprochement.

With the economic downturn in its own country, youth unemployment, the real estate crisis, demographic decline and mountains of debt, it now wants Europe back as a partner. Or at least as a market.

[...]

Gao describes Europe as a continent on the brink of collapse: "You have no more money at all," he says. China, on the other hand? Ready to help. With experience, technology and growth. A kind of development aid - made in China.

But the price is high: no criticism. No geopolitics. No questions asked.

Human rights? Tibet? Xinjiang? Are elegantly omitted. Anyone who raises them is either a "gangster" financed by the USA or a naΓ―ve idealist. Gao prefers to sell the high-speed train network, the next 6G expansion and the bubbling growth figures.

Problems? "Of course there are," he says - and immediately changes the subject.

[...]

Victor Gao says that Europe is too small to be an adversary.

But perhaps this is precisely Europe's underestimated strength: not wanting to dominate, but to mediate between the extremes - without selling out.

Because Gao is right about one thing: the world as we know it is changing rapidly. But whether China's charm offensive is more than just a tactical smile will be measured by whether Beijing wants genuine partnership - or just a Europe that shuts up and pays up.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

As an American:

Is China threatening to invade Greenland?

Did China just completely abandon and betray the most succesful military alliance in the modern era... in the middle of an active war involving that alliance?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did China just completely abandon and betray the most succesful military alliance in the modern era… in the middle of an active war involving that alliance?

China is a decisive supporter of Russia in this war.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Unless I'm missing something, China is doing a lot of trade with Russia in goods that help the Russians build their own military gear...

whereas, under Biden, the US was doing that with Ukraine, and basically also just directly sending them something like half our mothball reserve military equipment, lots of ammo and arty shells, and a good deal of fancy newer stuff (HIMARS), and also very actively leveraging our intelligence assets/network to directly assist in operational planning.

In fact, Trump has about faced so extremely hard that the EU could potentially make a trade deal with China that includes the EU buying a whole lot of shit they had been selling to Russia, so that the EU can better supply its now increasingly levels of / plans for its own military production while choking off Russia's ability to do the same.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This is a genuinely interesting article about global politics, but I sorta get the impression there's this underlying "Does Europe pick US or China as a trade partner?" question at the heart of it.

Seems like this pulls into very 1 dimensional view, and surely the answer is just, Europe should be sceptical of China and USA's motives, trade wherever it's beneficial, and push for the things it values (positive take would be workers rights, renewable energy etc).

Trump is trying push a whole pick sides narative on the world, that seems pretty ignorant to actual reality, and just ends up with everyone more fractured and weak.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

How about neither? Both China and the USA have proven themselves to be unreliable trade partners. In fact, a lack of reliability is inherent in any trade relationship. The conventional theory is that trade brings prosperity (true!) and governments want to maintain that prosperity, so they have a (literally) vested interest in preserving that - and this latter part is not so true anymore these days. (We all know why of course, it's because the prosperity is not shared equally in the USA, and China is unstable because it's a totalitarian state that will happily immolate itself in order to save face - but this is besides the point.)

The important point is that while trade is nice because it brings greater prosperity, it also comes with security risks and as we move into a new age of geopolitics, we need to be aware of this and find a better balance between trade and security. It will be hard, because it's so easy to be greedy and focus only on economics, but hopefully we will continue learning the lesson of finding this balance as we see more and more crazy things unfold over the course of this decade.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Why should Europe leave the influence of the US just to bow to another hegemon? Why shouldn't we do our own thing?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago (24 children)

Because you can't get past your minor differences and unite.

A truly united EU would dominate the world, but y'all want to maintain individual sovereignty over foreign affairs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

The problem here is: the EU currently works quite well overall for its citizens, precisely because there isn't really one big player. It is considerably more difficult to commit crimes and atrocities on the scale of the US, Russia and China when you're small, weak, and all your close allies are watching you. I don't have any doubts that a united EU, a federation perhaps, like it was originally intended, would be the greatest power the world has ever seen. But it would come at a great cost to all of its citizens. In anywhere between 50-250 years it would most likely develop into an empire similar to the ones we have right now. Unless we could figure out some sort of new structure to combat these challenges, which in itself is a major undertaking.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (6 children)

China is predictable.

US used to be, but now it seems they can be taken over by the whims of a single deranged man

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago

Because despite having a so-called union Europe is about as united as a relatively disciplined herd of cats and has acute far right-osis. There are pretty big obstacles standing in the face of a Europe that can compete with America and China and not having enough weapons is only one of them.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That’s the deal Europe has had with America, no?

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That was exactly my thought. The US is literally calling the EU "pathetic", and the EU are still playing it nice, because they should under no circumstances criticize the US.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Now that I think about it it's actually weird because Canada, which should theoretically be the most subservient of US allies, has demonstrated more backbone than Europe.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

So... same as making deals with MAGA then.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago (3 children)

and this is different to dealing the MAGA USA how?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

PRC is a lot less likely to crash your markets and then not return your calls afterwards.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

Big difference: they are smarter. So they use so much lube when they get you from behind that you almost don't feel it

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just to be clear, you think that being wooed with enticing promises, and being sucker punched in the teeth and told to bow down, are the same thing?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

no, America is a month or two from the teeth punching

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago (23 children)

So... Same as the US these days. Minus the insults, slurs and rudeness.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

Exactly... just as bad but professionally done

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Lol, no, you just don't know what the insults, slurs, and rude words mean.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sounds like how toxic relationships start.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 days ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

Or with EU and Russian gas before they invaded Ukraine.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 days ago (8 children)

If this is the bar, Europe wouldn't even trade with itself. Our biggest trade partner is calling us Pathetic while threatening to invade us and helping the genocide of an entire group of people.

We're royally fucked, we either downgrade our lifestyle (which would be good for the environment) or we have to keep making deals with the devil. China just happens to be the devil we know, vs the 3 faced US.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

The world is much bigger than just China or the United States. Perhaps Brazil and South America in general are the best candidates for better partners. Africa too, if it develops.

The countries of the European Union need to integrate more and form new alliances outside the two giants.

Just imagine: in a Europe with a single fiscal policy and a shared debt, where the euro is the dominant global currency, you could invest in Portugal or Finland in the same simple way. We would design in Europe, produce in North Africa (these countries would stabilize, develop and there would be no illegal immigrants sailing dangerously through here; later, when they develop sufficiently economically and culturally, we could even open the doors to free movement; Mare Nostrum!) and sell in South America and elsewhere. We should be the ones dictating to China and the United States the conditions for better economic cooperation, not the other way around. We should be the Global Power!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (4 children)

There's still a lot of beef with Europe in both Latin America and Africa. Even if you ignore colonialism, Europe's cold war era track record in those areas is... Not good to say the least.

What's the guarantee that Europe will actually bring peace and stability and not just install far-right dictators when it's convenient for them?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

those are the colonies. europe has already been extracting resources for cheap here for a while.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

So strengthen ties with Japan, Taiwan, Canada and South America. Got you Poo-boy.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

the Chinese offer: less morality, more market

yeah okay sure

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

the USA offer: less morality, less market

Europe needs a different partner

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