TOS s1e25 "This Side of Paradise" and TNG s6e11 "Chain of Command part II"
I mean, he is for Spock.
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Kirk and Spock in an alt timeline where Kirk never got his body back at the end of Turnabout Intruder.
In fairness, Spock is always correct:-).
I mean reality is you are going to give in, why drag it out?
Resolve.
did you miss the point of this episode at the end?
Not as such. Nor the denouement of s4e2 "Family," but I'm just fucking about with a contentious moment in Trek for shits and giggles.
fair, I do like though that TNG had even a character like Picard that had strong morals intelligence and willpower break
torture is monstrous and cares nothing for who you are and bondesque scenes of resisting it do us a diservice
Some people don't ultimately give in, or so I thought. I don't know what the science says on torture.
Also, it's good to draw it out for as long as possible. If you give a thief infinite time and resources they can break any lock, but it is still worth it to invest in security to draw out the process. The same logic applies to this. It may just be enough time to await rescue.
nope pretty much everyone breaks, mostly just avoiding absolute statements here
with the exception of protecting something irreplaceable (people’s lives come to mind) there really is no point holding out, course giving in doesn't mean they are going to stop
I’m sorry for the downvotes, what you said is true: pretty much everyone breaks.
Few people have withstood torture and didn’t break. Imagine the most intense pain you’ve suffered, and think if you would endure it for hours and hours. I’m not talking about a stubbed toe or an ingrown nail, I’m talking about REAL PAIN.
It’s more than just pain.
I’m a pretty advanced masochist, but there’s a difference between being water boarded by your spouse in your home according to guidelines you’ve agreed upon in advance and with a safeword and safe gesture, and being tortured by someone who expects to dispose of your body later.
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