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[–] vvilld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 3 days ago (35 children)

Anarchists (lib left) aren't typically waiting for society to collapse. We typically focus on building the world we want to see now in order to make the collapsing society unnecessary to provide out material needs. You know, the whole mutual aide and community organizing bit.

[–] multifariace@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

On that note, Authoitarian right are not waiting either. They are actively taking power over and from others.

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

There are accelerationists in every political sphere

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[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 163 points 4 days ago (18 children)

Everyone who thinks this seems to forget that they have to live through the collapse of civilization. It's not gonna be pleasant.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 62 points 4 days ago (20 children)

Accelerationists aren't exactly deep thinkers who understand entropy.

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[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It reminds me too much of these moments in RTS games, or Sim City, that time you got hit hard and you have to rebuild, but don't have resources to build, but to get more resources you need to build infrastructure. It can take so long to get out of that rut, and that's of you don't get hit by another calamity.

Sometimes I think any policy maker should play a game of old school Sim City 2000 and we can all see how they do before we vote for them.

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

It’s not all or nothing, another way to think of it is:

How bad do things have to get for there to be an actual shift to making things better?

I would love to make things better one step at a time, I think our system is a great starting point.

But I ask myself the above question everytime things seem to be headed downward.

Events like Luigi is what I mean by things getting bad enough for something to push back.

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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 69 points 4 days ago (23 children)

ah, exactly what i missed from reddit: ableist wojak PCM nonsense. lovely.

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 19 points 4 days ago

Very first reaction I had and thankful I wasn't the only one…

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[–] DegenerateSupreme@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm really glad I'm in the lower left because that's my favorite of the faces.

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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 4 days ago (9 children)

What's up with this centrist nonsense? It's a good thing to want to change the existing power structures actually.

[–] Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 87 points 4 days ago (22 children)

I only see mockery of accelerationists, which I broadly support. Its 10 times easier to reform an existing government that to destroy and build a good one from scratch.

[–] lyricanna@ttrpg.network 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

To be fair, the only reason I sound like an accelerationist, is because the building is clearly on fire right now and I'm presuming its structural at this point. So yeah, while I wish it didn't get to this point, it feels likely that we will have to rebuild things from the ground up.

[–] match@pawb.social 39 points 4 days ago (1 children)

life hack: begin building new social structures before the current ones collapse

[–] silverlose@lemm.ee 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Accelerationists HATE him for this one weird trick, click to read more

[–] Draces@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

You sound like an accelerationist because you think things are unsalvageable? Go figure.

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[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago

Not if it means creating a hellscape and rolling the dice hoping it works out as you let a fascist win an election.

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[–] turnip@lemm.ee 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

If a house is 4 million dollars and you work as an uber driver or cashier you may have a different opinion that everything is good. All this current world order has done is monetize everything with debt, a big wall of debt that bids up the price of inelastic goods, as the rich borrow as much as possible to write off their cheap debt using their inflated collateral while never liquidating a penny of their assets.

Then when their mansion burns down due to building in a risky area or the bank that lends all this debt overextends then the government bails them out, as peoples paychecks are inflated away and they are denied pay raises due to the bad economy.

But I'm one of these smooth brains.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

If you want society to collapse then yes you are a smooth brain.

Things can always be worse. And they wont only get worse for you, so if you are ok dragging everyone down into hell with you, you aren't just dumb, you are evil.

[–] LaserRunRaccoon@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

Are ride-hail drivers better off when cars become astronomically more expensive and rare, and are cashiers better off when stores are closing?

Revolution is for those who think they have nothing to lose - or think that they cannot lose. Someone with a "bad" job is ironically still much further from supporting widespread upheaval than a mansion-dweller who thinks they're untouchable.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I suspect that it's a mental error to imagine that there's one ideal ideology to start with.

For example, I think the founding fathers of America envisioned that the federal government would be smaller than the state governments. It's not completely insane to imagine supporting true libertarians for a federal government and a progressive left wing party for a state government.

But people aren't that mentally flexible. If they vote right wing for federal government, they will never vote left wing for state government. And so, despite the fact that capitalism can solve certain problems quite efficiently, the fact that it's utterly unsuited to solve our most common problems like making sure people have basic essentials means that libertarianism is a bit of a dead end, unless people can actually learn to think flexibly.

This is one of the basic reasons why Political Compass Memes is such a bad idea. It encourages people to lock in their political identity, rather than remain flexible, and centrism isn't the answer, either. We should be trying to use the right tool for the right job.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Only the top right 3 depend on collapsing society.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Time to get Hari Seldon and prepare a foundation.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

Which is a great analogy cause Hari fully lived and died in the collapsing empire. His life never improved due to faster collapse.

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[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Accelerationism is cringe. Do you want to change society? Start doing Prefiguration.

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