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Even taking his bullshit argument at face value, he thinks the best solution for these violent drug addicts is to leave them out of the street? Who is the audience here? If you literally think they are all violent, why is leaving them free to roam around the right solution?
I know it's all about money and grandstanding on his part but this definitely seems like some under-the-influence kind of deep thoughts.
Why does "violent drug addicts with severe mental illness" mean somehow they shouldn't be helped anyways?
Remember, they are saying what would need to be true to justify what they plan to do. This should be read as Elon declaring intent to put homeless people in camps.
To be fair, that is kinda nonsense. Germany and austria, for example have a lot of support networks for people in need, we even have entire networks dedicated to supporting homeless people, so nobody has to be homeless here - yet we do have a lot of them. For some people, homelessness is almost a choice more than an involuntary decision.
Obviously, idk how this would be in america, but I don't think it would be a lot different.
having been homeless…
the fuck is he talking about and who the fuck does he think he's fooling
Himself and his other techbro friends that couch surfed for a while, aka violent drug addicts with severe mental health issues.
Just more of the same from his class. Wants everyone to believe in a meritocracy, because that means he's rely great, and the people whose lifeblood he drained to get where he is aren't victims - they're just inferior. They wouldn't be where they are if they were superior like him.
Probably a guillotine wouldn't even work on him, he's so superior. Hypothetically.
A billionaire is the equivalent of a person sitting in a cafeteria who bought every piece of food in the restaurant kitchen and doesn't want to share any of it with the thousand people sitting around him even though he'll never be able to eat all the food they bought.
Owning and controlling so much wealth that you'll never be able to enjoy everything you have in a lifetime isn't a success or a sign of intelligence .... it's a mental illness. Especially when all that wealth and control could mean the life or death of thousands or millions of people everywhere.
Depressing fact: Most of the homeless people you see acting all crazy and talking to themselves all the time behaved normally when they started being homeless. It's spending years in complete isolation, being constantly ignored by everyone around you and having no one to talk to that makes you act like this.
I wouldn’t jump to that though. Most working homeless live out of a car or couch surf, while not doing that.
To add into that, most homeless are just normal people that fell on hard times, you won't see them cause they don't want to be a bother. You see the crazies because... Well they're crazy. Gigantic assholes like musk assume that since you see crazy homeless people wandering outside, then obviously ALL homeless people are crazy violent lunatics. He is the smartest person in the world after all.
Elon’s very familiar with the condition of homeless drug addicts.
where does he even get that idea? i never heard people refer to Elon as homeless.
Not sure what you mean.
Edit: I'm dumb. The joke is that Elon is a drug addict. Hit me a few minutes later.
It's a joke. He's implying that Elon is a violent drug addict with severe mental illness. Which is, of course, true.
Thanks. Got it just in time to edit my comment and then see your reply. I'm a dummy.
It's amazing that a man who does enough ket to bring down a racehorse even dares to use the phrase "drug addict" as an insult.
So the mentally ill deserve to be left to rot in the streets? Why else have a social safety net, if not for them?
TIL Elon Musk is homeless.
Wild claim, considering Musk is one of the most violent drug addicts who has ever lived.
He's a violent drug addict, way more dangerous and destructive than any homeless person could be.
Whether someone is a drug addict with severe mental illness is irrelevant to whether they're homeless or not.
Do they have somewhere to live that has a permanent address? No? Then they're homeless and need help.
Obviously there's a bit of nuance with things like ProxyAddress where homeless people can have permanent addresses but still be homeless, but the gist of my point is the same! Do they have a home or not?
Alright I'll bite, even if Hairplug Himmler is right (and let's be perfectly clear, he's not).
Why wouldn't we as Americans want to help our fellow citizens overcome drug use, treat mental illness, and help rehabilitation efforts on their behalf?
ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE "VIOLENT" and "on the street". Wouldn't we want to help them get off the streets?
Wouldn't that make us safer, happier, healthier, and dare I say... Great Again? Wouldn't that protect citizens and police officers alike at a lower cost than incarceration? (Spoiler alert it would, but there's no private for profit companies offering this service).
Wouldn't these people become tax payers? Employees contributing to society? Become future homebuyers and start a family?
These empathy lacking neo-fascist clowns can't stop punching down to those less fortunate (while claiming the lords name in vain) and I can't wait for the day we get the opportunity to match their empathy as they head to prison (preferably one in El Salvador).
Let's say, for sake of argument, that Elon is correct. Should we not be helping people with severe mental illness?
He is a literal NAZI! So he wants mentaly ill to suffer for losing the gene lottery!
I can’t speak for Elon (and will not defend him) but Kyle (from Secular Talk) is dramatically underestimating the problem by tossing out the $20 billion figure. You can’t just throw a bunch of money at a person with severe mental illnesses and addictions and just expect them to be okay.
The state of California has spent over $24 billion on homelessness since 2019 yet the number of homeless people in the state has grown by 20%. Obviously they aren’t spending the money wisely in a manner that would maximize reduction of homelessness, but Kyle didn’t specify how the money should be spent either. Perhaps that’s actually the hard problem: how do you spend the money in the way that would be most effective?
The word Elon is a propaganda word it is a lie. It is actually Felon, which is a violent drug addict with mental illness.
So those people you're talking about, Elon... They have homes? No? Then homelessness isn't a lie, you gigantic sack of human waste.
Homeless: without a home.
Weird how he’s lying again. I’ve been there, and I can promise this fuckwit that not having a roof or food in the middle of winter in a city where the stoplights literally freeze is not some kind of illusion. That being prodded away from a public bench in sub-zero temperatures so you can shamble a few blocks whilst the sleep in your eyes freezes, over and over for weeks, so you can’t get more than an hour sleep at a time for months, isn’t the holiday he thinks it is.
Jesus christ, I bob my head to the surface for this? It’s like he’s not even trying to be relatable now.
Liquidate Musk
the US in total is a right-wing place that thinks that "hard work" is the way of life, and anybody who doesn't adhere to that is a "drug-addict" or a psychopath.
Also half of all homeless people are foster kids who aged out of the system. They don't have a family to fall back on.
Projection is the process of displacing one’s feelings onto a different person, animal, or object. The term is most commonly used to describe defensive projection—attributing one’s own unacceptable urges to another.
@Confidant6198
"secular talk" is wrong here.
Musk is an absolute psychopath without any empathy. He doesn't need any excuse to sleep at night knowing all the harm he did to the world.
By destroying USAID, this devil just threw millions of people into starvation.
I'd say destroying USAID is the one good thing they did. Long term mind you. I won't deny the short term effects of such an instant cutoff to these programs.
But USAID is primarily used to disrupt the economic systems of nations that the US exploits for cheap labor.
I'd quote the revolutionary Thomas Sankara
Those who come with wheat, millet, corn or milk, they are not helping us. Those who really want to help us can give us ploughs, tractors, fertilizers, insecticides, watering cans, drills and dams. That is how we would define food aid.
The US primarily uses its food aid to disrupt these nations from being self sustainable and force their industry into a single crop that is most beneficial for US capitalist to export.
So, while the shorterm is bad. The disconnection of these exploitative relationships are good.
Obviously it would be better if these programs were slowly removed. But continuing them for the next 4 years would be worse then ending them drastically.
Also, mind you, I don't think Trump even realizes why these programs exist to benefit the US exploitation of the third world. I think he sees them simply as "foreign aid". So his own ignorance of them actually ends up destroying an important part of US Imperialism by mistake.
Removing the exploitative relationships that the US has with third world countries in the form of "foreign aid" is good. It's just that (1) Trump actually thinks these benefit these nations. Which they do not. And (2) the well intentioned liberals thinks the same as Trump does. So we end up with this weird state where both are wrong but the policy is actually good long term.
Again, there will absolutely be problems as these dependencies are cut of so quickly. But no more than the continued exploitation in the long term would result in.
At Thomas Sankara said. These direct food injections are not helpful. They are a way that capitalist use to direct the economy of third world nations towards dependency on America Imperialism. Ending them is good for these nations. Even if there are struggles when they end.
Self determination and self sustainability have been robbed from these nations by USAID for decades.
@LeninOnAPrayer
No. Its a genocide.
Ending so much funds so abruptly is criminal.
Millions are starving right now.
Thousands of people will die of Malaria and aids. Thousands of children will get polio and will be crippled for life.
That's a disaster
I think you missed the entire point of my comment if you don't think I acknowledge that. Two things can be true at once.
There are also other nations like the EU and China that are assisting these countries. As well as private charities working to compensate for this lack of immediate aid.
USAID is not meant to help these nations. It is meant to control their crops by injecting massive amounts of cheep foods, grown in the US, to destroy their local markets for growing crops that country would need to be self sustainable.
It forces the farmers in these countries to only grow sugarcane, bananas, or other crops that cannot be grown in the US. Forcing a reliance on USAID and ensuring the most profitable crops are grown for Capitalist.
Compulsive lying and Ketamine abuse are the only things Elon knows anything about.
One of the talking points in South Africa goes like this:
The "homeless" black people that live in corrugated metal slums all have mansions that were stolen from white people and given to them by the government when apartheid ended.
They choose to live in slums to work in the cities, and go back to their mansions when they're not working. Alternatively, they don't live at their mansions because they are too lazy/dumb to actually take care of the property.
Several times in the US I've been told that people flying a sign are actually rich from all the money they are given. Totally absurd but people believe it. Mansions they don't live in is on another level though