this post was submitted on 27 Feb 2026
127 points (93.8% liked)
Memes of Production
1257 readers
1463 users here now
Seize the Memes of Production
An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the “ML” influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.
Rules:
Be a decent person.
No racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, zionism/nazism, and so on.
Other Great Communities:
founded 2 months ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Common sense. To end suffering you need a huge amount of resources. More than realistically can be acquired. So prioritizing must be made. And of course animals would be lower in the list than humans.
Do you not understand what the role of animals is in all this?
Ever since the invention of agriculture, we have had the capacity to grow more food than humanity can consume. But agriculture is business, and business must grow. So when that limit is hit, we have to find ways to create artificial scarcities to continue growth. We do that by refining plant products into increasingly scarce luxury products. Animals are treated as nothing more than machines for refining save, cheap, sustainable plant products into toxic, polluting, addictive and unsustainable animal products.
Back to your premise: we are not dealing with a lack of resources!!! We are drowning in food!!! We are dealing with nothing more than greed and inhuman cruelty.
this is story telling
I don't know whether you are saying, "this was captivating," or "this was bullshit."
it's devoid of facts. it's just a story you tell to justify your position.
A huge amount of resources to . . . do less and consume less resources?
End deliberately human caused suffering is not the same as end all suffering.
End all suffering implies preventing all animals starving or eating each other. Or animal genocide so nothing is left to suffer.
I think that's a pretty hyperliteralist take.
They are a bit rather literalist, but they have a point.
Only "do less and consume less resources" won't end suffering. It will limit certain kinds of suffering.
Feeding those without enough healthy food may require more resources (many reasons people don't have enough food, sometimes those reasons are "war".)
There are other kinds of suffering as well. Bad governments abusing people. Weak governments not protecting people. Not enough medical care, or the wrong kind of medical care. Unsafe neighborhoods, and unsafe homes.
Undoubtedly, there are hundreds of ways humans are suffering right now that I am not touching on.
I was more thinking of the PETA-style can't-harm-one-animal-hair issue. The people who get upset if you trap rats that are eating native birds; that kind of thing.
In rough order of plausibility:
End human-caused human suffering
End human-caused human-or-animal suffering
End anything-caused human suffering
End anything-caused human-or-animal suffering
So is the original meme.
You just inserted the word "all" and hoped, we wouldn't notice but I did
I would argue that 'end' implies 'all', aka 'eliminate suffering'.
If it said 'reduce suffering' or 'minimise suffering' that would be different.
So given the choice between a reading with addressable solutions, and one that can never be achieved and so no one would ever argue for, you intentionally selected the second interpretation. Because this allows you to reduce the argument to an absurdity, and then disregard it. But you're just fucking lying to yourself, you're not really achieving anything except finding a way to arrive at the conclusion that you had pre-selected.
But that's kind of the point of the OP in the first place. End all suffering, wait not that suffering.
But on the other hand, ending all suffering is such an unrealistic demand that no one would say it seriously. Stubbing your toe is suffering but would anybody prioritize ending it? You can read it as a hyperbole if you will.
But that's kind of the point of the OP in the first place. End all suffering, wait not that suffering.