next time I hear "there is just too many (brown) people" i swear
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Nope, since the industrial revolution we had capitalism, communism, feudalism and a bunch of others, and they all destroyed the environment. Norilsk was a nightmare well before the wall went up. London had unbreathable air a century before that.
So history started with the industrial revolution, I see.
Environment destruction did at scale.
I'm really trying to read a coherent argument into your comments which you're not making easy. You said that "all economic systems we tried so far destroy the environment" which is demonstrably false as you kind of acknowledged by now. All economic systems that grew out of the industrial revolution did, which is a very different statement. Or is your point that economy started at that point? Which is kind of true because seeing economy as a separate sphere outside of social life and ethics is relatively new. I think Adam Smith popularized that idea in his book "An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations" in 1776.
And I'm still not sure what your conclusion is. You don't seem to blame the industrial revolution but see it as a given not even worth mentioning. Neither do you see it worth interrogating, how and why each system does what it does. The industrial revolution is about two centuries ago. We know about climate change for less than one century. Pollution is a different story but at least its long term consequences were not obvious 200 years ago. This is nothing in historical scales. Money exists in one shape or another for 5000 years. Even feudalism existed much longer (than the industrial revolution). Yet, you are sure we tried everything and there is no alternative. Nothing we can do. There is no hope.
Let me end with a quote of a very great author:
― Ursula K. Le Guin