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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Like you can’t compromise with capitalism

Our entire society is built on capitalism and the influences of capital, you simply do not make any progress without SOME level of compromise or incorporation of capitalist principles and standards into your policy-making and community building, so black-and-white interpretations of how this works are exactly the danger I was warning about. He's pro-socialism, sure... but that doesn't mean you're going to see New York city become socialist.

[–] thethrilloftime69@feddit.online -1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Ok well let's take healthcare for example. If you compromise with capitalism, you can't eliminate insurance companies. Even tho socialized medicine has proven to be a better model for decades, compromise with capitalism got us Obamacare which is technically better than the previous model but it didn't make anything cheaper and it was prone to subsequent administrations gutting it.

Or compromising with the military industrial complex, means we still build weapons and fight wars and fund genocides. What exactly can the compromise be?

You can go through multiple industries and you'll find that as soon as you say "someone still needs to profit" then the game is over. Whatever you were trying to fix suddenly becomes secondary to profit.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

This is no more intelligent than the first comment you made, you're just elaborating a point I already said isn't realistic, none of this applies to reality or New York politics. It's shower-arguments.

[–] thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Hey man you can try to compromise withthis system your whole life, it's not going to get better.

Once you realize that, the next conclusion is obvious.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

What's your alternative? Do you think an armed revolution is going to happen? Do you think the millions of comfortable liberals are going to be fine with that?

We cannot push this all at once, all we can do is nudge the needle back towards progressivism until it starts to choke capital. We don't have an army, we don't have enough uncomfortable people, we don't have fucking leadership so lets get real.

[–] thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Well one of the ways we can liberate our minds is to get off mainstream social media. So kudos to us for doing that.

I think the next steps is to create the conditions for revolution to be successful. The no 1 thing I think is to BUILD COMMUNITY. I have been volunteering at free clinics for the last few years. I try to have gatherings when I can. Then The next most important thing is to organize, so join an organization that offers something that fits. I recently was offered a job at a coop. I've attended some DSA events, trying to figure out a way to fit more of that in my life. The next most important thing is to build your independence from big tech. So get off their services as much as you can.

You're right, were not ready to take to the streets, even tho that is the real thing that needs to happen. So we as individuals can help build our independence, organize and believe in community. We can get there, it'll take a long time, but just because it seems like a big task doesn't mean we can't get there eventually.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

I have been endorsing building community and working towards active participating in that for years and years and continue to endorse it as our answer to most of our worst issues, but we have to also understand that we don't get ecscape from politics, which definitionally means compromise between two or more forces. Those communities will still need representation, those representatives will still need to interact with a world that is largely controlled by forces we don't agree with, and thus people you like will have to do things you don't like from time to time, otherwise we're just roleplaying and trying to build a militia in private and that gets us nowhere.

That's all I'm saying, we do not turn our backs on people otherwise fighting for a better future just because they have to make tough choices to earn political capital. We just have to understand the nuance here and when it crosses a line to corruption.

Mussolini was not dragged out by a plucky band of rebels with their own, separatist value system, he was arrested by his own king and government due to political pressure and handed over to the opposition group. We still need to interact with the system and play the game.

[–] thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 1 points 14 hours ago

I think that's probably the right course. We are forced to work with what we got and you can't abandon the people that are here. But I think it's important to be mindful that compromising will only get you so far. It will never take you all the way.