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[–] cattywampas@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (4 children)

This made me think, and I realized that non-tonal languages actually do have a tonal aspect to them.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Non-tonal simply means the denotation isn't carried by tone, not that users of the language don't use tone. It's an interesting distinction.

John McWhorter has a few courses in The Great Courses catalog about language - its pretty fascinating stuff. He covers things like tonal languages, and how even for a linguist like himself, they're tough to learn.

[–] ZiggyTheZygote@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

True, otherwise it would be monotone, though some people speak in a monotone voice that can put you to sleep.

[–] DKKHGGGj@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Me as a native finnish speaker making every english speaker in a meeting unsure of my meanig

[–] ZiggyTheZygote@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] jbrains@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Finnish people are stereotyped to sound monotone, enunciate clearly, speak directly, and tersely. This makes them seem unfriendly.

And then they expect you to stay 3 m away from them at all times, which intensifies their seeming unfriendliness.

At least these are the memes.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Knew there was a reason I liked Finns...

[–] jbrains@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago

When we go to a hotel, we prefer the Finnish level of service: make everything work and otherwise leave us alone.

[–] Yaky@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sounds pretty similar to US stereotypes towards Eastern Europeans, who are "always grumpy" and "rude".

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

How Eastern Europeans see USians:

😁°º︎○︎( pls someone help )

[–] DKKHGGGj@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As others explained, finnish is pretty flat and that carries to the other languages I speak. To english mostly, I refuse to speak swedish

[–] ZiggyTheZygote@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From what I've learned from memes is that there is "enmity" between Swedes and Finns, am I correct?

[–] DKKHGGGj@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say so. Finns might feel like the little brother and feel unease about that. In practice there are lots of personal and commersial ties. Many have family in Sweden, me included.

We don't expect Sweden to send troops if Russia tries to invade, planes and ships, maybe the odd submarine but no troops. At least that seems to be the sentiment

[–] ZiggyTheZygote@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

It's a complicated relationship, I can relate with the relationship between US people and Canadians.

[–] lemming@anarchist.nexus 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

They absolutely do. Even within the same language, regional accents can have very different prosodies.
I recall reading a Nature article iirc about how neonatal cry melody can reflect prenatal exposure to parental language! How nuts is that!? Brains are cool.
eta: Found it: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982209018247

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 2 points 2 days ago

Wow. Off to searching for articles in Nature! Hello rabbit hole...