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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 13 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I think it is a great mistake for anyone in the comments to start being China apologists just because Trump is acting like a retard.

I think you're all severely underestimating the shit China does. Trumps America isn't anywhere close to being as fucked up as China is, and I say this as a Dane who is currently dealing with the severe hatred and feelings of betrayal towards our former allies.

Let's not start simping for China because America sucks. Let's not do that. I only have a surface level understanding of what goes on in China, and that is still enough for me to say with confidence that current day America is still less of a hell hole by comparison.

I wpuld rather focus the energy in Europe to make us stronger over time so that we can be our own super power and not have to lean on the other trash bin super powers out there.

It won't happen over night and might not even happen in my lifetime, but if we can work toward that goal, I would be happy. We have survived worse.

[–] Spectrism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What exactly makes China worse than the US?

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you have to ask, then it is time to read up on some basic history. Key words to use:

Mao

Tiananem square

Xinjiang internment camps

The one child policy, it’s immediate consequences and current day consequences.

Human trafficking, sex trafficking, abductions and illegal adoptions

Women’s rights in China

Gay rights in China. Specifically the banning and censorship of apps like grinder and erasure of "effeminate men" in media

China during Covid

China human rights violations

China freedom of speech

Maybe some of these will give you a head start.

[–] Spectrism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Tiananmen Square was not simply a violent escalation of the Chinese state, so not sure if I'd wanna count that, and the "Xianjang Internment camps" still seem like made up bullshit by Adrian Zenz and the likes. But I didn't simply ask what makes China bad, because I'm well aware of that, I asked what makes it worse than the US. Key words here:

Literally every president the US ever had in the past decades

War for almost the entire existence of the country

ICE and their camps

Pretty much daily school shootings and overall gun culture for that matter

Women's rights in the US

Police violence

Horrible healthcare system causing thousands of deaths every year

Increasingly limited LGBTQ rights

War on Drugs

War on Terror

Support of or direct involvement in multiple genocides

Massive surveillance network, not just in the US, but globally

Hundreds of military bases all across the world

Guantanamo Bay

Human rights violations

Preventing people in certain countries from accessing certain much needed medications and extortion of pharmaceutical companies in other countries

Meddling in other countries' political environment and even killing or kidnapping democratically elected heads of states

Creation and funding of terrorist groups and states

Bombing mostly innocent countries to ashes and committing countless war crimes, including the use of nuclear and chemical weapons

I'm probably still missing things...


China overall has bad track record when it comes to everything related to all kinds of individual freedoms, but considering that the US is actually deliberately killing and torturing people to no end (at least on a much, much larger scale than China), I'd say that they are way worse than China. And again, this is no excuse for China, I just think they don't match the cruelty of the American empire.

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