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Can I buy one and ship it to the US? Only a small fraction of us actually like Trump. The rest of the numbers are blown up by the media to seem bigger than they are, then another chunk didn't even vote at all.
Those who didn't vote in the 2024 election are equally culpable to the Trumpoids in my eyes. It was very clear what Trump stood for, yet they didn't bother to go out and vote against fascism.
My favorites are the ones who claimed they couldn't vote for a genocide.
Now they have three genocides and two invasions.
Especially when Harris, as VP, supported investigating Israel so they could shut down the rule forcing them to supply arms to Israel.
It's my opinion that she only reversed course to get campaign donations. Looking at her voting history she was the closest to Sanders out of everyone.
Seems to me very likely that Harris would have been an above average president.
But sadly Americans chose the fascist psycho over Harris, because they didn't think Harris was left wing enough, or that she didn't support the Palestinians enough.
The logic being: I'd rather be killed by a fascist psycho than not be helped as much as I want by a way more moderate person, that isn't actively supporting killing me.
Non-white and woman surely counted as well in some circles.
That's too much logical thought.
Much closer to "woman not like me bad, man like me good" than anything else.
I admit I sometimes forget the sexist racist aspect, and I think you are right in that was a significant factor too. But it doesn't make it less stupid I suppose as you hint at, it actually just makes it even more stupid.
Oh, for sure.
the real reason is "sexism, and racism" even those that dont initially support voting republicans they have those biases in them, but arnt as flagrant about it, because of where they live is unacceptable. as a poc you can tell when people are changed thier body language over a POC vs a white person when interacting with them.
I bet it's true but it's so stupid.
I'd rather lose my healthcare than vote for a woman. 🤣
I made a joke with my friends in 2024, back when Harris was announced to be the presidential candidate for the Democratic party
Turns out America chose fascism
Don't give them logic.
Saw a post denouncing Mamdani and AOC for not being pro-Palestinian enough.
They'd probably denounce Hamas for not being pro-Palestinian enough.
That's not that hard of a position.
I guess they didn't pay heed to what John Morley stated more than 100 years ago:
"Politics is a field where the choice lies constantly between two blunders."
It's not make-a-wish. Most of the time, you have to vote for the lesser evil.
Someone downvoted you for making sense.
Old NYC Mayor Ed Koch said it best.
"If you agree with me 51% of the time, vote for me. If you agree with me 100% of the time, see a psychiatrist."
Bullshit, he got half the votes, and those that didn't vote didn't dislike him enough to prevent his election.
So Americans like Trump plenty, until he does something that hurts them personally.
If you really believe your own comment, you are delusional.
They always play that card. Somehow, in their minds, they're the strongest democracy out there, but over the multiple decades of their elected government representatives doing atrocious stuff their answer is always "oh no you see they don't represent the real americans"
Read up on a thing called 'The Electoral College.'
The smaller, conservative states have more power than the larger states.
Left leaning California has 2 Senators, the same as tiny Rightwing Alabama.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College
I'm not a conspiracy tinfoil hat guy, but there's been enough projection and "holy shit are they actually admitting it?!?!?" ramblings from Trump, Musk and Rogan over this past year that it's not just myself, but have brought many others to call into question the authenticity of the results.
TLDR: IT WAS RIGGED
I don't believe you, because there is not a shred of evidence of that.
Occam's Razor tells us it is much more plausible that Americans are just stupid, and didn't learn the lesson from 2 periods of Bush Jr. and the first period of Trump.
The American society is sociopathic and hold individual freedom as a religion. And they see Trump being a malignant narcissist as a perfect example of individual freedom, and they don't recognize the sociopathy because they see it as a virtue.
This is to me the way more plausible explanation, that we have seen play out in many presidential elections in USA, Where already Reagan's uncompromising war mongering campaign won over the much more moral and humane Carter that wanted environmental sustainability. Religious fanatics are fundamentalists, and fundamentalists vote to the right, and psychopaths are fascists and vote to the right. Trump election victory is 100% based in the insanity of the American society.
I am not saying all Americans are insane, there are many good Americans, but just as a person that has terminal cancer has cancer cells in the body that makes the body sick, doesn't mean that all cells are cancer cells. And in the same way American society is sick, because there are so many "sick" people that behave in ways that are harmful, that the society as a whole is sick.
Seen from a country that is one of the best democracies in the world, there is absolutely no doubt about it. It is very obvious that American society as a whole is very very sick.
Okay buddy, yowza that was a whole fuck ton of a response. Good on ya. I'm not in any way defending the dumbing down and weakening of critical thinking here. No shit, obviously we're getting dumber in the United States. It's been embarrassing since my childhood. I'm not going to bat for us.
Anyway, there have been a few instances where there have been slip-ups with Trump saying "Elon is so good with the voting machines in Pennsylvania", or with Rogan admitting how in awe he was of Elon looking at his phone saying Trump had won just as opening ballots had started.
Also Trump barely winning in swing states (ridiculous ) where it was a bullet ballot only supporting him, but being generally consistent along previous years trends that supported Democrats.. like I agree, yes we're stupid, whip me more Euro Daddy, but the fact that the Dems didn't immediately demand a recount is so cucked
OK I hadn't sen that, that's an indication.
American here, and one who grew up in what is now trump country. Well, I guess I still live in a republican area now, but I started out rural.
Your conclusion about how the society as a whole is sick is 100% spot on.
I don't do much international travel, but I did get to spend a little bit of time in europe in the past couple years. Most of it in scandinavia of all places!
The difference is crazy, even not counting all this recent crazy shit. On the surface things look similar. But being immersed in it let all the little details sink in simultaneously.
There's an air of dignity and respect that I am just not used to in american society. Even just the instances of "we couldn't have that, somebody would immediately ruin it" were constant.
Thanks I don't think most Americans realize how bad it is, and how deep it goes.
To a huge extent, I don't think they know there are other options.
Or they are well aware of different cultures but know to their core that the USA is the greatest society to ever exist and God's chosen or some shit. So all those progressive policies sound nice, yet they have produced abysmal results in every single European country! This is true by definition when every place outside the US is utter trash in your lead-addled brain.
A large fraction of us like Trump, but not the majority. Still far, far more than is excusable.
Huge difference between a large fraction and a small fraction.
I'm not saying it's a major8ity anymore, but on election day a majority didn't dislike him enough to vote to prevent him from winning.
As I wrote, when people are personally hit by his policies, either the sucking job market, or losing ACA and needing healthcare, then they realize it was not a good idea to let him win. But before that, most were fine with it, or didn't care.
Well, most of my state, which is larger than most European countries, cared and didn't want him. The US is huge - clearly far too huge, since the will of so many people can be ignored.
Your state is one of 50, and not an representative of USA as a whole. I'm writing about USA as 1 country, not as 50 states and territories.
Just as when writing about EU as a whole and not about any particular member state.
The problem is not the size, it is the lack of democracy, and lack of respect between the states. For instance US no state can secede if it wants to, while UK was allowed to leave EU. No state can block a law in USA, while all countries of EU has that option.
USA see this level of respect and democracy towards each other as a weakness, but in reality it is a strength, and Europe has developed a society that is way better than USA, despite USA is about twice as rich per capita.
Believe me, I very much wish we could secede! Maybe the US will Balkanize after the empire collapses.
Sorry, but that argument doesn't hold water anymore. We gave you guys the benefit of the doubt for his first term, but this time you knew exactly what you were getting, and you allowed him back anyway. 32% of the eligibile population voting for him is not just some small minority.
Last time he didn't win the popular vote, so there was some consolation to be taken. This time we really don't have an excuse.
you know....elections can be rigged, right?
I wonder how the Germans that fought against fascism felt when people spit on them and called the Nazis?
The vast majority didn't fight Trump's return. The vast majority still aren't fighting.
I'm guessing that the Poles didn't give a fuck about German feelings after WWII, and no one gives a fuck about your feelings now. Until something more than hand wringing on the internet is done, expect the negativity to continue.
I don't know exactly who you are talking about, but I did everything I could. Unfortunately I am not a fucking billionaire so my efforts don't hit as hard. That said, I actually couldn't believe the results of the election. I think there are a lot of people didn't expect this outcome. I mean it was hard to imagine re-electing a person who actually lost their reelection bid before, and that person is one of the most caustic and evil people to ever hold office. It was unprecedented.
US population is largely pacified by propaganda over decades.
2/3 of the country not opposing his policies seems pretty clear cut to me
My over-generalized understanding is that it's more like 1/3rd, but because of exploited political geography their votes were "more special" than the rest of ours, so suddenly we arrived at: "The whole country wanted this!" (Historians' note: No they didn't.)