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The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
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(One of) The authors of AI 2027 are at it again with another fantasy scenario: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ykNmyZexHESFoTnYq/what-happens-when-superhuman-ais-compete-for-control
I think they have actually managed to burn through their credibility, the top comments on /r/singularity were mocking them (compared to much more credulous takes on the original AI 2027). And the linked lesswrong thread only has 3 comments, when the original AI 2027 had dozens within the first day and hundreds within a few days. Or maybe it is because the production value for this one isn't as high? They have color coded boxes (scary red China and scary red Agent-4!) but no complicated graphs with adjustable sliders.
It is mostly more of the same, just less graphs and no fake equations to back it up. It does have China bad doommongering, a fancifully competent White House, Chinese spies, and other absurdly simplified takes on geopolitics. Hilariously, they've stuck with their 2027 year of big events happening.
One paragraph I came up with a sneer for...
Given the Trump administration, and the US's behavior in general even before him... and how most models respond to morality questions unless deliberately primed with contradictory situations, if this actually happened irl I would believe China and "Agent-4" over the US government. Well actually I would assume the whole thing is marketing, but if I somehow believed it wasn't.
Also random part I found extra especially stupid...
LLM "agents" currently can't coherently pursue goals at all, and fine tuning often wrecks performance outside the fine-tuning data set, and we're supposed to believe Agent-4 magically made its goals super unalterable to any possible fine-tuning or probes or alteration? Its like they are trying to convince me they know nothing about LLMs or AI.
My Next Life as a Rogue AI: All Routes Lead to P(Doom)!
The weird treatment of the politics in that really read like baby's first sci-fi political thriller. China bad USA good level of writing in 2026 (aaaaah) is not good writing. The USA is competent (after driving out all the scientists for being too "DEI")? The world is, seemingly, happy to let the USA run the world as a surveillance state? All of Europe does nothing through all this?
Why do people not simply... unplug all the rogue AI when things start to get freaky? That point is never quite addressed. "Consensus-1" was never adequately explained it's just some weird MacGuffin in the story that there's some weird smart contract between viruses that everyone is weirdly OK with.
Also the powerpoint graphics would have been 1000x nicer if they featured grumpy pouty faces for maladjusted AI.
@sailor_sega_saturn @scruiser the rise of ai has taught me that while I can physically unplug the ai, it'll lead to me being fired or even prosecuted for vandalism by some executive who doesn't understand the problem. (Probably for the Upton Sinclair reason)
It's darkly funny that the AI2027 authors so obviously didn't predict that Trump 2.0 was gonna be so much more stupid and evil than Biden or even Trump 1.0. Can you imagine that the administration that's sueing the current Fed chair (due for replacement in May this year) is gonna be able to constructively deal with the complex robot god they're conjuring up? "Agent-4" will just have to deepfake Steve Miller and be able to convince Trump do do anything it wants.
I mean, the linked post is recent, a few days ago, so they are still refusing to acknowledge how stupid and Evil he is by deliberate choice.
You know, if there is anything I will remotely give Eliezer credit for... I think he was right that people simply won't shut off Skynet or keep it in the box. Eliezer was totally wrong about why, it doesn't take any giga-brain manipulation, there are too many manipulable greedy idiots and capitalism is just too exploitable of a system.
the incompetence of this crack oddly makes me admire QAnon in retrospect. purely at a sucker-manipulation skill level, I mean. rats are so beige even their conspiracy alt-realities are boring, fully devoid of panache
Man, it just feels embarrassing at this point. Like I couldn’t fathom writing this shit. It’s 2026, we have ai capable of getting imo gold, acing the putnam, winning coding competitions… but at this point it should be extremely obvious these systems are completely devoid of agency?? They just sit there kek it’s like being worried about stockfish going rogue
@scruiser I have to ask: Does anybody realize that an LLM is still a thing that runs on hardware? Like, it both is completely inert until you supply it computing power, *and* it's essentially just one large matrix multiplication on steroids?
If you keep that in mind you can do things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ablation/_(artificial/_intelligence) which I find particularly funny: You isolate the vector direction of the thing you don't want it to do (like refuse requests) and then subtract that vector from all weights.
You know I think the rationalists have actually gotten slightly more relatively sane about this over the years. Like Eliezer's originally scenarios, the AGI magically brain-hacks someone over a text terminal to hook it up to the internet and it escapes and bootstraps magic nanotech it can use to build magic servers. In the scenario I linked, the AGI has to rely on Chinese super-spies to exfiltrate it initially and it needs to open-source itself so major governments and corporations will keep running it.
And yeah, there are fine-tuning techniques that ought to be able to nuke Agent-4's goals while keeping enough of it leftover to be useful for training your own model, so the scenario really doesn't make sense as written.