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don't reform, abolish the police (quokk.au)

submitted 4 days ago by Deceptichum@quokk.au to c/mop@quokk.au

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Before abolishing the ~~police~~ slavery you need to have an idea of what is going to replace it.

Sorry, kids. You're trapped in a perpetual system of violence, squalor, and death until you can convince the People In Power that they'll still be landed aristocrats under a reformed system.

I also wonder if they mean, abolish the current police force, or the concept of a police force.

What you have is a state-sanctioned cartel inflicting violence at an industrial scale. If your question is "Who will I call to report an infringement to my property/safety without the police?" I might counter with "How much help did you think the Compton Executioners intended to provide?"

Members of the Executioners are drawn from deputies who work at the Compton station of the LASD. Knock LA has reported that the gang consists of around 80 members. Potential recruits are chosen based on past acts of violence against members of the Compton community and recruits cannot be Black or female.

So, I lob the question back at you. Are we talking about abolishing this particular sheriff's deputy gang or the concept of shariff's deputy gangs? Until I get a convincing and comprehensive answer sufficient to satisfy LA's billionaire class, sheriff's deputies should be free to rob, rape, and murder Compton residents to their heart's content.

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

They did have something to replace slavery with...

If you sail a boat across the Atlantic, you'll find lots of countries that also have the concept of police. Yet... their police don't run around shooting people all the time.

How is that even possible?

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You make it too complicated.

For me the question is simple.

I get assaulted and robbed, who can I turn investigate and capture the perpetrators?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You make it too complicated.

It's not a simple situation.

For me the question is simple. I get assaulted and robbed, who can I turn investigate and capture the perpetrators?

Ask Renee Good. Hell, ask Trina Martin

The plaintiffs -- Trina Martin, her teenage son Gabe, and ex-partner Toi Cliatt -- have spent seven years seeking to sue the FBI for damages after agents mistakenly raided their Atlanta home in 2017.

You want a simple, straight, obvious answer. So you create a goon squad with seemingly unlimited power and an endless budget. And now that goon squad is running around town savaging people like a pack of rabid dogs.

So who do you call to investigate and capture the perpetrators you created to investigate and capture the prior iteration of perpetrators?

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It is fine to say that you have no idea, so why even bring this up for discussion?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Plenty of ideas. But if I said "provide public housing" and "guarantee jobs for everyone over the age of 16", you'd angrily rebut that this doesn't give you someone to call when you feel scared.

These are complex views of society aimed at alleviating criminal incidents, not simple hotlines you can dial to SWAT your neighbors.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

Public housing is a very good thing and needs to be expanded.
However people will still be people and crimes will still happen, so some kind of law enforcment will still be needed.
Same goes for jobs, some people will simply have better jobs, better pay, nicer homes, jealousy doesn't just disappear becase you get a home and a job.