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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

the comparison with the civil war was because twats say it was "States rights" while technically true, it was for the States rights to have slaves.

I compared it with Socrates, because his trial was due to corruption of the youth. which meant corrupting them against democracy into violent tyrants.

the wiki on the 30 tyrants literally has a section called "Socrates and the thirty".

and the wiki on the trial has a section "Association with Alcibiades and the Thirty Tyrants". (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Socrates)

Also, worth noting (again), in his apology he never denounced any of his students that committed the genocide. and while he did defy them when asked to provide info on people to kill, he was spared by the tyrants.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

From the section in the link you cited:

Several of the Thirty had been students of Socrates, but there is also a record of their falling out.

The reference points to Xenophon's Memorobilia.

Husserl taught Heidegger, and Heidegger became a nazi, but that doesn't make Husserl a nazi. In fact, Husserl was Jewish and had to flee nazi Germany. So you see, a person isn't necessarily responsible for the things one's pupil does.

And from the "Socrates and the thirty" section on the thirty tyrants page:

In his Memorabilia (Bk 1, Ch 2), Xenophon reports a contentious confrontation between Socrates and the Thirty, Critias included. Socrates is summoned before the group and ordered not to instruct or speak to anyone, whereupon Socrates mocks the order by asking sarcastically whether he will be allowed to ask to buy food in the marketplace. Xenophon uses the episode to illustrate both Socrates' own critique of the slaughtering of Athenian citizens by the Thirty, as well as make the case that the relationship between Critias and Socrates had significantly deteriorated by the time Critias obtained power.

The only quotes suggesting he was responsible for the thirty tyrants on either page were from a contemporary writer, and it seems more like speculation than anything else.

There's really no compelling evidence suggesting that Socrates was responsible for the thirty tyrants or their slaughter of Athenian citizens.

"Corrupting the youth" simply meant teaching them to think for themselves. The "pious" aristocrats didn't like that sort of thing back then, any more than their ilk like that sort of thing today.

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can you explain how the "introducing new deities" accusation fits into your interpretation of the trial?

pulling them away from the old religion into his grift.

Let's invert the dialogue. do you think someone being sentenced to death, and the same someone's students (whom they failed to denounce or even acknowledge) committing a genocide and a foreign coup, have nothing to do with each other?