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[–] MerrySkeptic@sh.itjust.works 68 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Not saying I disagree, but as someone who was once religious I'd say that in their minds it is exactly the point to serve the desperate and broken hearted. "It is the sick who need a doctor, not the well." They genuinely believe they are helping by doing this, not trying to be deceptive.

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I think you’re wrong about that last part. They are absolutely deceptive.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That doesn't change that most of them actually believe they're helping. They've been pretty well groomed to believe that.

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago

That’s fair.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Probably depends on location and culture as well. Where I live there's a decent amount of moderate people. And well, they probably internalized the negative aspects. But it's not like they'll go out and molest other people with their religious stuff. So I'd say as long as they're accepting of dissent, gay people, facts... Which many of them are... They're more part of something that's deceptive from grounds up, rather than (deliberately) being deceptive themselves. And they don't follow the rules literally (same with the moderates amongst the Muslim people here). Leading me to believe they have some grasp of what's right and what's wrong beyond what's written in an old book.

Of course none of this applies to the fundamentalists, or the nasty evangelical people prevalent in some other countries. And religion always has deceit baked in, that's a fact 🤗 We'd call it science or ethics or history if it was based on something else.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago

It's probably a mix of both

[–] Nednarb44@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

In fairness, in the prominent religions "everyone* is sick and needs the doctor

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Nah it's you'll all burn in hell if you don't accept Odin, so everyone is "sick" in your metaphor.

Odin? I meant Ganesha. Or was it Zeus?

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm a devout atheist, but Ganesh I'd smoke a joint with.

[–] Echolynx@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not all religions have a concept of hell, nor eternal punishment for sins. That's a very Judeo-Christian-Islamic view.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

They're all made up so they have that in common.