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this is what really sets leftists apart from liberals imo.

liberals like to decorate themselves with the nimbus of morality but when it comes to stepping up to fascism and protesting even if it's not like a fun parade but serious and uncomfortable. Or just if the weather is bad.

Or when it comes to being self critical about your own learned patterns of behavior and thinking.. they are nowhere to be seen, not to be relied on and it does real damage, as we can see.

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[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's literally false, go and read article 5. It explicitly says external threats, not internal. In this case, Article 1 applies, which is actually about internal conflicts., but it simply says that any conflicts should be resolved peacefully, not that other members have any obligation to get involved.

[–] BoJackHorseman@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Because other articles already clarified that. If one law says "drinking is illegal", another law does not need to say "drinking while being with friends is illegal"

It normally goes 1..2..3.., so if 1 already says something, 5 does not need to repeat something about being exclusively external.

[–] BoJackHorseman@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Lmao we have a NATO expert here

Ok, can you point me which article says it's for external threats only?

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Honestly, not worth my time.

I'm not going to be your assistant in searching for stuff, but it goes something along these lines if internal attack happens - Article 1 is invoked. If whatever happened is not resolved peacefully, article 4 is invoked. Everyone gathers around and reminds the defender that NATO and Article 5 is linked to United Charters, and that (4-2?) quite clearly puts that into words (about inner conflicts), then everyone finished their high end meal and goes home.

Lmao we have a NATO expert here

TBH I sometimes bombard a family member of mine with questions, who's an officer in army that's under NATO.