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Study of men who embodied a young woman in VR finds they felt disgust & anger when catcalled
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Did anyone study the opposite? I remember reading about a woman that pretended to be a man for a few weeks to write a book about it, and she described it as something like "soul crushingly lonely".
Norah Vincent. She was particularly beloved by the manosphere because her experience pretending to be a man for 18 months (not just a few weeks) lead to her "conversion" from a feminist to realising that men too have their own problems.
Thought, she personally was already libertarian, and highly critical of trans people, so she reads more like a TERF imo.
Sadly passed away via assisted suicide a few years ago.
Norah Vincent - Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norah_Vincent
Which is super ironic, as feminism acknowledges mens issues.
It just doesn't always feel like it takes them as seriously
Like when? Can you give me an example?
Conscription, parental treatment especially during custody battles are some of the things often talked about where I live. Especially the former one is one of the most blatant examples of men and women being treated differently. But it's not very high on the agenda for feminist orgs.
What do you think is high in feminist agenda orgs? Because I don't know what you mean.
You can see the agendas for yourself here for two of the orgs I based this on:
https://naisunioni.fi/polohjelma/
https://www.feministinenpuolue.fi/tavoitteemme/poliittiset-ohjelmat/#yleisohjelma
Their agendas focus on the current biggest issues.
Which, if resolved correctly, would benefit at least your first problem, possibly the second one too.
So I don't see any problem here.
The point was the how little attention it gets. Those agendas isn't going to give anyone who finds that their main thing much hope
No, because, and I say that with love towards you, it's not a main issue right now for society.
I understand that it is the main issue for you right now. And I need you to understand that if that's the case, you are not on the top of the priority list because there are people who are worse off.
If you are currently battling for custody, it sounds terrible, and I feel for you. I can't imagine what's that like. If I can do anything for you, let me know.
I don't onow if you're joking but you're helping to prove the point.
Well, yes.
Feminism won't fight for every issue right now.
But it will still help you regardless of what you're missing.
That gets us nicely back to start of the discussion. Feminism might recognize men's issues, it just doesn't consider them very important to deal with right now. Even when it's something like conscription that's the biggest and most blatant legal discrimination there is in my country.
Nothing recognizes your specific issues right now, what do you want me to say.
You're supposedly from Finland, which means you are better off than most of the world.
Feminism might make draft more equal. That may not be on top of their concerns, but it's still better than anything else I can think of.
That's the whole point, it might recognize the issue but it just doesn't care all that much. So of course men aren't all that hot about feminism since they're not seeing it push for issues specifically men are facing.
I don't know of any studies, but I have heard anecdotes from trans men that say the same thing.
I once read a very well put together comment by a trans man on the subject of their experience with this before and after transitioning, and basically, because men are never supposed to show emotion, their relationships lack a level of emotional intimacy at a fundamental level. They said that their relationships with other men felt hollow and largely superficial.
It's also why men seemingly mistake friendship from women as flirting so frequently - because women can have a true emotional connection in their friendships with other women, but men can only get that same level of connection in romantic relationships or life or death scenarios such as war. Women also often treat men more coldly than they do other women as a result of this to avoid being mistaken for flirting with every man that they talk to (or because they view men as dangerous).