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Using 'casual' and 'hardcore' in the traditional gatekeep-y, "filthy casuals" way that e.g. Dark Souls players often do, isn't really what the article is talking about.
CoD and other battlepass-ridden live-service games don't actually require high skill levels, they require high time investment. Destiny 2 stopped being a casual game in this sense once they started removing content, because it now places demands on the players' time, rather than allowing players to engage with it casually/ at their leisure. Also, Destiny 2 has raids. No game with instance raids is casual. I don't play Fortnite, which is why I asked whether they have time-limited events, and I don't particularly care about where it falls versus others, I just tend to see most live-service games as inherently less casual due to this.
My 'hardcore' game for many many years was Eve Online, and let me tell you, there's nothing casual about leaving work early or setting alarms for 4am and coordinating with several hundred people around the globe to all be online when a POS timer is finishing. It's a hardcore game, but it's not about twitch-aiming or dodge-timing gameplay.