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No, I'm saying "trauma induced bigotry" isn't a thing.
And honestly I don't care to debate whether a bigot got their bigotry honestly or if something in their life might "better explain" it, at the end of the day a bigot is a bigot.
Just because I know (insert genocidal dictator here) was mistreated as a child doesn't mean I take pity on them when they decide that's a good reason to genocide.
I agree on the moral bottom line: bigotry is bigotry, and it isn’t excused by someone’s past.
Where we disagree is whether the “why” matters. I’m not asking for pity or moral credit; I’m talking about causality because prevention requires understanding how these beliefs form and get reinforced. “Explanation” isn’t “justification.”
If you’re claiming trauma can’t be a contributing factor in any case, that’s a stronger claim than “it doesn’t excuse it,” and I don’t think it’s self-evident. Fear and threat-perception can shape ideology, and some people channel that into scapegoating. Especially so when insulated by wealth, platform, and echo chambers.
Also, bringing up genocide shifts the topic from mechanisms of prejudice to extreme hypotheticals. The point stands without that comparison.
If you don’t want to discuss causes at all, that’s your call. If so, we’re not actually disagreeing about accountability, just about whether analysis is worth doing.
I'll admit my wording could have been better, and if I'm perfectly honest I've got personal things going on at work and let my irritation show here so apologies for that.
I'm all for trying to root out potential causes, and eliminating the at their source at every possibility.
I am also of the opinion (because there is no way you could prove it to be fact) that you can throw everything she experienced at someone else and they won't be a bigot, as my own anecdotal experience says abuse doesn't lead you there.
That said, in nature vs nurture I tend to side with nurture, and therefore everything she experienced up to then may have tipped her toward bigotry and then abuse cemented her path in that direction. And once she got rich, all the people who want to be close to her will reinforce her views whether they're shitty or not.
It's a complicated mix of a lot of things but I personally don't believe that the abuse alone can ever be pointed to as "the reason"
Side note: I only bring up the genocidal dictator bit because bigots often put exactly those people and their ideals center-stage to their beliefs. Maybe not in this instance (I doubt Rowling is an actual neonazi), but "trans people should be allowed to exist" sounds exactly like "jews/uygur/out-group shouldn't be allowed to exist" to me so it seems to fit in my mind.
I appreciate the reply. I have nothing to build on from here and I appreciate both your take and your willingness to be clear.
Thanks so much for the discussion.
I want to explicitly call out that your patience, understanding, firmness, and reason in this exchange were exemplary. Good work. Keep doing what you're doing. This is the kind of interaction that really can help heal the world.