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We probably agree on abortion and the second amendment, but you think we don’t cause your people tell you we believe some crazy shit.
We don’t want abortions at 8 months for no good reason and we don’t (for the most part) want guns made illegal for everybody.
Nobody wants abortions for no good reason. The key is that it's a decision that should be left to the doctor and the patient. Every person has their own threshold for what constitutes a "good" reason, and my beliefs on the matter aren't more valid than anyone else's. Why should I make medical decisions for any person? Why would anyone expect personal morals to be the standard by which everyone must live?
There's a reasonable societal conversation to be had around severity of fetal defects and very young pregnant people. I think most people would not want a late-term fetus with something like cleft palate or club foot to be aborted for only that reason. A twelve year old who doesn't realize she's pregnant until eight months - should abortion be available in that case even if she and fetus are healthy?
But the conservative denial of edge cases existing is so deep it's mind boggling. When the pregnant ten year old case was made public, the conservative reaction was to deny it happened, and then prosecute the doctor for publicizing. Someone testifying to Congress stated straight faced that a ten year old getting a pregnancy termination wasn't an abortion. I don't know how to get out of the fantasy land that is literally killing women today.
The ProPublica series on women with wanted pregnancies who were denied care and died was hard to read. The one that got me the most was where multiple doctors shown the medical files said that if the woman had gotten care the first time she went to the emergency room, probably both the woman and her fetus would have been saved. Doctors in states where abortion is punishable by jail time make the calculation they can save more people out of jail, and refusing care to pregnant women - knowing some of them will die - is the price they have to pay to stay out of jail.
If you want to have an a portion for fun at 6 weeks, have at it. If you want that at 8 months, you’re not going to find many people agreeing with you.
Republicans says that’s what Dems want. It’s not.
Florida has a 6 week ban. The clock starts on the first day of the last menstrual cycle. The first assumption being made here is regularity, fine we can accept that for the sake of argument.
Next you have to consider the actual period of fertility. This basically makes it a 4 week ban, if you're being generous.
At 8 months you have all your baby stuff and a name picked out. If a tiny fraction of a percent of abortions are "for fun" at 8 months it is not a reason to prevent abortions for all
It really baffles me that people actually think abortions are happening at 8 or 9 months pregnant without a medical reason. If a woman wants an abortion, she's going to get it as early as possible. Nobody is carrying a baby for that long and suddenly changing their minds.
It baffles me more that a non-zero number of them believe post-term abortion is a thing.
These are not smart people.
Apparently it is for Trump, so maybe it's just a Republican thing and they're projecting.
You mean, killing the new born by throwing it over the cliff, Sparta-style ?
Right into Lake Michigan
This is the shit I keep trying to tell people. i have a whole huge story about my family's experience with needing abortion. There's literally no real live anti-abortion human I have ever talked to that has heard our story and said "Yeah, you still shouldn't have been able to do it. If your twins died because you couldn't abort that triplet that had basically no brain left from a massive stroke you only discovered at 20 weeks then that was God's Will." Every single one of them thinks that our situation was one of the "permissible" ones, but that there's still this massive problem of floozies using it as birth control and people aborting 8 month fetuses that needs to be controlled.
I keep having to tell them that A) nobody gets 8 months into a pregnancy and just flippantly decides they don't want it anymore, something catastrophic has happened, and B) there's no way you can ban it for those so-called "irresponsible women" without also de facto banning it for people like us. Because that hypothetical party girl you're imagining getting her 10th abortion this year? Waiting a week for the Morality Panel to check if she eligible is a minor inconvenience, but it would have killed my twins.
My grandmother is against abortion. But when I told her a friend of my sister was having one because the baby had a rare condition where they weren't going to live anyway, she seemed fine with it in that situation
Yeah, they're never actually against abortion. Most of them are usually totally okay with it in situations like where the baby is going to suffer needlessly and die at most a couple hours after being born, or the Mom will literally die carrying this baby to term, or any number of the times abortion is not just an option, but the best course of treatment to save a life.
They've just got it in their heads that 99% of them are "loose" women who "can't keep their legs closed" and are using abortion to "avoid the consequences of their actions" and don't understand that there's literally no way to ban it for them, without also creating a de facto ban for time sensitive medical situations like my wife's or that friend of your sister.
How fucked are people in the head that caring for a child for the rest of you life is an acceptable "consequence". If you don't want to be a parent you shouldn't have to be. Full stop.
It literally only makes sense under the very specific "religious" framework they've built around it. The idea that life begins at conception, and that the only acceptable reason to be having sex in the first place is because you are actively trying to create a child with the person that you are having sex with. So to them the solution to "Not wanting to be a Parent" is simple: Just never have sex 4head.
Also, there are literally birth control pills that are common and ubiquitous. There are IUDs. If they really want a medical procedure, you can have your tubes tied.
There is a pill you can take the day after.
Even if it is a "floozy", what the fuck makes you think abortion is the birth control of choice? Who do they think is out there wanting to have as many abortions as possible?
It's just so incredibly dumb.
Some Christians are against birth control too. They think sex should solely be for procreation, which is also one of their arguments against homosexuality
There's a propaganda film where a woman at an abortion clinic meets God and he talks her out of it. There is a background character in the film who is implied to be a regular at the abortion clinic and treats abortion like something she just does every month like getting a haircut. Conservatives think there are really a lot of people like that
I think I remember hearing about that one, yeah. It's utterly deranged the lengths they've gotta go to in order to demonize this.
I truly can't believe how many I've made balk at their stance by saying something to the effect of "Yeah I feel you, I don't really like it getting used as emergency birth control either. But there's no way to stop that from happening at a legislative level without also making it a de facto ban for situations like the one my wife was in," and walking them through what hospitals would do, or have done in the case of those women in Texas was it that were dying of sepsis after their ban went into effect even though it supposedly had exceptions for "saving the life of the mother" in there? I might be thinking of a different state.
But I think we’re all saying the same thing. Nobody wants abortions at 8 months for fun. They’re saying we actually want them to occur.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HvnqU-1uDUU
/s because the internet can't handle satire
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I'm not for any regulation on abortion. It should be a medical decision.
That’s doesn’t make sense. Regulating something is not necessarily the same as forbidding it.
Lots of medical decisions are regulated and they should be regulated. The regulations should be about preserving the health and safety of individuals and groups.
Abortion should be about the health of the mother and the regulations on abortion should reflect that.
There literally should not be. Considering how time sensitive the most serious cases where it's needed can be? It should be up to a woman and her doctor, period. End of story. If someone thinks they are misusing that care, sue for malpractice.
But like my wife alone has had her life saved by abortion so many times. She's had an ectopic that would have ruptured and killed her, a miscarriage that wouldn't pass that she almost died of sepsis from, and there was the selective termination of one of our triplets because the seizures she was having were killing the other two babies and my wife's health was drastically declining waiting for the termination so she very likely might not have survived delivering them if we hadn't terminated the one.
Any one of those procedures even a few days of delay while some "Morality Panel" decides if you're situation is one of the "permitted ones" is going to kill people, many of whom being babies like my twins they claim to want to protect.
I think some level of reporting is helpful for research and public understanding. I would be on board for fining the doctor (not jail!) for performing abortion for a minor reason (something like cleft palate - not minor untreated but 100% treatable) very late in pregnancy. Maybe a path to delicensing for multiple repeat offenses.
But yeah, given the senseless deaths happening in states with current jail time laws for even very early abortions, a change to no regulation would save lives.
I personally want to get rid of all guns but I know it's infeasable
Cops and republicans first, then I'll consider it
Most countries have special units with guns. The average police officer does not carry. The general populace is only allowed hunting guns and only near hunting grounds or at home. This should be a standard here. It even fits the whole "Castle doctrine" so many swear by.
They're non perishable goods and there are hundreds of thousands already out there. Many were never tracked. I have possession of one that was built from before computers and was definitely never tracked. I'm not some gun nut either, it just ended up in my hands after being passed down multiple generations.
Yeah, asbestos used to be everywhere too, same with lead paint, they still rightly regulated them. That shits way harder to get rid of than hand-held objects, there are still old buildings with lead paint on them and asbestos in them all over the country. But that doesn't mean regulating them didn't work or shouldn't have been done. Countless, needless, horrible deaths have been avoided by those regulations.
At least people who use guns for recreation have some kind of argument, this whole "it'd be too hard" bullshit is just lazy and pathetic.
and yet many major developed countries did it within our lifetimes.
Did and of them have as many guns per capita as the US and have an almost perverted obsession with guns and individual freedoms like the US?
The country that claims to be the foremost in space travel, science, math, medicine, research, sports, money and freedom, that has survived COVID, H1N1, Spanish flu, OC43 and cholera, one of the richest, most technologically advanced, populous and developed - can't work out a system to control deadly machinery on top of its systems for maintaining the entire populations tax, driving, citizenship, medical, judicial, work, abodes, transport, roads, waterways, sewers, water, garbage, education, public parks and telecommunications?
Those are all irrelevant to guns. None of them are similar problems.
you can see no connection at all between driving licensing and gun licensing?
There is a connection, but also a major difference. Driving isn't a right provided by a constitutional amendment, it's a privilege.
And the constitution clearly calls for regulation, verbatim.
That's the part that is argued because it is written in old English.
Wel gereht here, ðe is neodþearf tō wærienne frēo rīce, þæt riht folces tō habbanne and beranne wǣpna, ne sceal bēon gebrocen.
Who cares
Id guess people that participate in reality
They think that Dems are Leftists. US Dems are very much on the right. Go far enough left, and you'll find the Marxists and Anarchists with more guns than a MAGAcultist's safe. Only they know how to shoot every one of them, and are smart enough to be quiet about it.
Probably not? Mike Pence type voters really, truly believe in the “at conception” part, with exceptions being extremely rare.
I have… at least 25 cousins born to parents who do not believe in contraception nor abortion, of different denominations.
There are a lot of these folks. Based on my IRL experiences, this is not a niche opinion, though it may be shrinking with church attendance.
The “arm the schools” gun control types do feel more like a perpetually online, algorithm boosted niche. Rather hardcore Obama-hating hunters I’ve known are not into automatic weapons, nor the more ridiculous ideas. They are very into, to paraphrase, “being responsible for your goddamn firearm”. Like you said, what they fear is warped by Fox News (and TBH true quips from some of the more extreme Democrats).
I think 90% of Dems agree with 90% of Reps.