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The threshold household income where a family can afford housing, healthcare, childcare, and transportation without relying on means-tested benefits is a lot higher than the official stats suggest.

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[–] SanctimoniousApe@piefed.social 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

I’m sure many of my left-leaning readers will say, “This is obvious, we have been talking about it for YEARS!” Yes, many of you have; but you were using language of emotion (“Pay a living wage!”) rather than showing the math. My bad for not paying closer attention; your bad for not showing your work or coming up with workable solutions. Let’s rectify it rather than cast blame.

Yeah, no. How convenient you wanna do that when there's no way to avoid the shit that has been given to the other side for-fucking-ever.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 17 points 1 month ago

but you were using language of emotion (“Pay a living wage!”) rather than showing the math.

There's a key bit of bullshit buried in this line that I'd like to call out. This calls back to some old fashioned conservative propaganda from decades past.

It's the idea that the left thinks with their heart while the right thinks with their brain. It implies that emotionally stunted greedy assholes are actually smart and admirable, while things like empathy and giving half a shit about the lives of people outside your circle are weak and foolish and "giving in to emotion."

But giving in to greed and anger are just following God's plan or some shit.

[–] JakenVeina@midwest.social 13 points 1 month ago

Yeah, the idea that no one has been able to put math behind the wealth and wage gaps until now is UTTER horse-shit. You weren't just "not paying closer attention" dude, you were being WILLFULLY ignorant, and if you really want to be part of the solution now, that deserves a lot more than a "my bad".

not coming up with a workable solution

We've come up with plenty, but I'm a ¹⁷90s girl myself.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 7 points 1 month ago

it’s also rather different things:

pay a living wage is a concept that applies no matter when you say it

this maths is for this particular point in time and a particular set of circumstances

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

“It doesn’t count when I say you’re being emotional, ot only counts when I say it”.

Wtf.

Must’ve completely skipped the parts where plenty of people actually did the math. Or the author just scrolled the stupid parts of social media and ignored places where actual discussion takes place.

[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

The math has been shown. Times published an article a few years back that showed the 1% have siphoned $50 trillion for themselves over decades since 1970 that are essentially due to stagnant wages. Put differently, the 1% owes the rest of America $50 trillion. Probably a few trillion more now.