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[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 33 points 7 hours ago (7 children)

Facts people forget:

  • Assembling your own Steam Machine with similar parts will cost around 800
  • Even if you assembled it yourself you would be missing features, such as cec, wake by controller, sleep mid game, etc. LTT will try to build one, it will be interesting to see what they come up with, but I'm 90% it won't have feature parity.
  • There's lots of engineering gone into this machine, they're way more compact, less power hungry and more quiet than anything you can build yourself.
  • Buying the same build as a prebuilt brings a premium and costs around 1000
  • Valve purchases stuff in scale so they can diminish their margin and could potentially sell it cheaper than prebuilts, and possibly cheaper than building it yourself.
  • Consoles are sold at a loss, and they recover it with games because the platform is closed.
  • The Steam Machine is not closed, they can't be sure they're getting game purchases, because people might be buying this to be their work computer. So they have to price it as a PC, with margin on hardware, not promise of future returns.
  • Price might fluctuate between now and announcement, RAM prices are going crazy nowadays.

With all of that being said, it seems to me it's very likely it will be around 800 but less than 1000. For people saying you can build one for that price yourself, sure, go ahead, you'll have a huge, power hungry loud box, without the same features and you would have saved only a small fraction of the value by having to assemble everything yourself.

[–] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Buying the same build as a prebuilt brings a premium and costs around 1000

For 1k you can get a 9600 9060XT 16gb system, which is waaaaaay more powerful, so this is quite an exaggeration.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago

A prebuilt plug-and-play device? Can you share a link to that?

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Consoles are sold at a loss, and they recover it with games because the platform is closed.

Sometimes, but evidently not currently. Sources seem to indicate that only Microsoft seems to say they are selling at a loss, though it seems odd since their bill of materials looks like it should be pretty comparable to PS5...

I'll agree with the guess of around $800, but like you say, the supply pressure on RAM and storage as well as the tariff situation all over the place, hard to say.

[–] EarlGrey@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

* Even if you assembled it yourself you would be missing features, such as cec, wake by controller, sleep mid game, etc.

I've been actively mass downvoted on Reddit for being excited for these features. People are really fucking stupid sometimes.

I have a significantly more powerful PC (in a tower case) currently hooked up to my tv surviving the same purpose and I will likely be getting the Steam Machine entirely for these features.

"But just use a dongle" they say. And I do. It works about half the time and I have to do this weird dance involving pulling up Kodi

[–] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I’ve been actively mass downvoted on Reddit for being excited for these features. People are really fucking stupid sometimes.

I'd bet it was more about the phrasing and it probably commented in a way that downplayed concerns other people had.

[–] coriza@lemmy.world 18 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

Also people who like to DIY seem to forget that a lot of people want a turn-key solution, I even dare to say that most people prefer a ready made solution. Even a lot of people who work in tech when they get home want a just work solution.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Yup, I love DIY, had tons of fun building my wife's mini-itx gaming rig, my NAS and even my desktop (although it was the boring one of the three since it's just standard). I love poking on my system, trying out stuff, etc. But I bought a Deck and my only mod was getting EmuDeck in it, it just works for what I want it to, and that's worth a lot to me, it allows me to pour my time on stuff I want to be building and just game on my gaming boxes.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

And a lot of the prebuilts have a ton of cut corners. A well put-together machine that people can trust to play their games at a base performance could be great for those who don't want or can't DIY.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

PCs suffer from massive hardware fragmentation. It's about time someone made a standardized PC.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Eh, I dont want steam machine becoming a standardized PC.

having CPU and GPU baked into the board and unchangable will just increase e-waste cause it will age out much faster than a PC which you could, 3-4 years down the line, max out the CPU in, throw more ram into, or upgrade teh GPU, to keep it relevant for another 4+ years

It serves its niche purpose, but it should not become standard.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 1 hour ago

A good APU solution like in the consoles would be a nice option though. Especially now with RAM prices through the roof again.

Nail On The Head.

I work in tech. I also have terrible dexterity. While I love my gaming PC, I dread upgrades or things going wrong. I hate applying thermal paste, replacing a motherboard, etc. I’d gladly pay “prebuilt” prices for something from a company I can “trust” (as far as corporations can be trusted).

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

A thousand dollars seems fantastically reasonable for a well-engineered home-gaming machine that can play current gen PC games at high quality. I spend that much every several years on upgrading or building a new PC.

My complaint is not the price, I think the price is fair. Let's talk wages.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Let's talk wages.

Absolutely agreed, if every company had wages at the level Valve does it would be very good.

[–] Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

LTT will try to build one

Time for another video of Linus failing to follow basic instructions and going out of his way to break the OS because Linux gaming bad

[–] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I hate LTT, but they did absolutely nothing wrong or anything a normal user wouldn't do in that video.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

failing to follow basic instructions and going out of his way to break the OS

Otherwise known as a typical behaviour of majority of users

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

Good thing his team has a few linux nerds. So unlike that challenge where he was alone, here his team would work on it.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, but to be fair that was a shitty thing the system did, anyone with experience would know not to do it, but honestly it should have never happened. On the other hand, Linus is a bit daft and lots of stuff blows over his head monumentally, in the same video where he said he would be building a Steam Machine he also couldn't seem to grasp that this is just a computer and people would see it as a prevuilt. In short I don't think he will acknowledge lots of the killer features in the Steam Machine just so he can claim his thing does the same. But at least it will be an interesting watch.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Yeah, I agree.

I detest Linus, but at least attack him for legitimate shit.

He was approaching linux as a basic idiot, like someone like me, and that is absolutely something a new average linux user would absolutely do.

iirc, that bug was known before hand, and no one bothered to fix it until famous man made video that got famous.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

It was known beforehand and was fixed already by the time he released his video, he just happened to luck out and encounter it during the short spam it existed.

I disagree that he approached it as a complete idiot, he approached it as someone who knows what they're doing, when he definitely doesn't, and that was the issue. Anyone without technical know-how would have panicked at the system asking him to type "I know what I'm doing", and anyone with enough technical know-how would have paused at that and read the message carefully and moped the fuck out. He had enough knowledge to think he knew what he was doing, but not enough to actually do, and the boldness to think he knew better.

That being said, I agree that there's plenty of other stuff to bash him for, and that was not a great example, lots of people would have found themselves in that same situation, and I don't think it's unfair to say the fuck up there was not entirely on his part.

[–] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago
[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

With all of that being said, it seems to me it’s very likely it will be around 800 but less than 1000

maybe more with the way ram prices are skyrocketing.. because even though it comes out next year, they are probably being manufactured and stockpiled right now.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yup, like I said, it depends on how prices will fluctuate, my guess is what the price would be if it was being sold now, if RAM increases they would have to compensate for it.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Yep, and since it has both system ram AND dedicated gddr graphics ram.. its gonna be double dipped in the price gouging by the memory manufacturers