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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 114 points 1 day ago (5 children)

More like about 10,000 years ago when humans started farming and agriculture to grow crops at scale to make bread ... then at about the same time they domesticated cows in order to harvest milk and figure out how to make and store butter.

[–] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The earliest known bread recipe dates back approximately 14,500 years, discovered in a stone fireplace at a site in northeastern Jordan, where charred remains of a pita-like flatbread were found.

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 63 points 1 day ago (1 children)

where charred remains of a pita-like flatbread were found

Man, it must have been hella stale by then.

[–] Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nothing a little water and microwave can't fix

[–] siha@feddit.uk 1 points 21 hours ago

Just gotta put a glass of water next to it

[–] ShamanRonin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

We gatekeeping bread now?

[–] TeNppa@sopuli.xyz 35 points 1 day ago (3 children)

And "only" 5000 years if you count when people started using yeast for bread production, since the bread ain't the same without yeast.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Behold! The bread hierarchy!

Flour + water = hardtack

Flour + water + yeast = bread

Flour + water + yeast + butter = toast

Flour + water + leavener + butter + sugar = muffin

Flour + water + leavener + butter + sugar + eggs = cake

Flour + water + leavener + butter + sugar + eggs + chocolate = brownie

Flour + water + leavener + butter + sugar + eggs + chocolate + cream = cupcake

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Flour + water = hardtack

clack clack

:D

[–] linkinkampf19@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
[–] affenlehrer@feddit.org 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's pretty hard not to use yeast. It's everywhere and if you wait long it enough it'll start to ferment. Look at what some Orthodox Jews go through to make unleavened bread.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I got the opposite of whet you meant at first, did you mean 'to prevent it from leavening at all'? I found this in wiki and only then did I got it:

Dough is considered to begin the leavening process 18 minutes from the time it gets wet; sooner if eggs, fruit juice, or milk is added to the dough. The entire process of making matzah takes only a few minutes in efficient modern matzah bakeries.

[–] affenlehrer@feddit.org 2 points 12 hours ago

Sorry for the confusion. This 18 minutes thing was exactly what I tried to say!

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are plenty of bread without yeast.

[–] TeNppa@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 day ago

Yes there are, but the one in the picture clearly was made with yeast.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 day ago

I know this, and you know this. Shh. Don't ruin the meme

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Pre-agricultural humans did still have access to flour and milk though.

[–] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But what did they milk to make butter?