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Well, my point is that we're not fascist but you've moved on to say that somehow we're fascist because the US is. I don't think we're talking about the same thing anymore.
I totally get you don't think you are fascist nation. Fascism comes on a scale. The US has always been on the scale as the revolution was a conspiracy by wealthy colonialists to seize control. They did this to enrich themselves not for lofty ideals such as freedom or liberty.
Your inability to see through your own nations propaganda makes you a liability in this fight. Your unable to see the oppressed in your own society. You look past how Mexico acts as the United States immigration agent for South America.
I don't think going over the long list of human rights violations and massive amounts of injustices perpetrated in Mexico is worthwhile. The homicide rates, the profound misogyny, and also blatant corruption in the form of government agents acting with impunity.
My brother your nation is definitely on the fascism scale. How many government officials worked in the private sector and then back in government? Your government was captured by industry long ago. The courts serve the rich and powerful, huh seems familiar.
And now you got your "Obama" meanwhile less than 3% of CEO in Mexico are women. I am all for hope, but you have to be smarter than this.
Let me walk you through the several points of fascism I found on various websites, and we'll tally up the points at the end.
The 14 Characteristics of Fascism by Lawrence Britt
This is reserved for some days of the year, and it's mostly expressed as a fun cultural display rather than a die-hard nationalistic pride. You really have to come here for the September 16th celebrations to see it yourself. And I'd argue that this is part of the reason that keeps us together as a nation. I don't see why we have to renounce the bit of nationalism that we have.
+1 - We have some, but nothing I'd consider one way or the other, despite external appearances.
Did you know that our previous Supreme Court ruled unanimously on the right to abortion? That the Constitution includes the right to a free education, and that the federal government follows through with free college tuition? Same with healthcare. How about that we can't be charged for the use of drugs, but it's actually covered by our right to develop our personality? We can't be charged for loitering or jaywalking. Those are a lot of rights that I don't see in other places. Our UN representatives also voted yes to consider food a human right. Does that sound like disdain for the recognition of human rights as a whole to you?
And as an added bonus, we also strive for animal rights. Every pet will be given a free sterilization by the state (we've done it five times over the past years, including some strays), and last time I heard, some clinics were offering free health services, including some surgeries. Violence against animals has a minimum sentencing of two years.
+0 - We're working towards more human rights.
Not a thing. We don't have state enemies other than cartels, and even then, we understand that they have families. We also protect the native population rather than alienate it. And we take care of our neighbors as well. You say we're only sending migrants to the US, but you seriously ignore everything our government does for these folks, including housing, food, and asylum. There have been a few funny (and infuriating) stories of migrants demanding privileged treatment because the state so pampers them that they're asking for the mile after being given an inch. They're free to work and stay here, but they don't like that. That they seek out the US because they're under the delusion that they'll be better off over there is not our problem, and we can't bar them from...*drum roll* exercising their human right to migrate.
+0 - It's not a thing.
Sure, if your idea of Mexico is stuck in the 90s. Not today. We just elected a woman president for the first time, who won with an overwhelming majority. We have many women in STEM. Even I was a teacher for a women-only programming BootCamp. We even have social programs for single mothers dating back to the late 90s. And violence against women is prosecuted as a hate crime. The kids of the previous generation grew up and made huge, ongoing changes. Not to mention the string of feminism marches happening downtown seemingly every other week. Or the many public talks and gatherings in public spaces, addressing these social issues.
+0 - We're still fighting the ghosts of our past, but we're making serious progress on many fronts, including LGBT rights.
Unfortunately, this one's true, but only because of millionaires. We don't have a state-sanctioned media. In fact, our ex-president AMLO had several disputes with news channels that only attacked him for everything, despite whatever good he did for the people. There's also plenty of free press that is not censored, afaik.
+0 - Corporate interests are at odds with the state.
+0 - Not a thing.
I know it may be shocking due to our reputation of being a Catholic majority, but our government is strictly secular at all levels, and we aren't taught religious doctrine in schools. It's strictly barred.
+0 - Not a thing
Sure, to some degree, but the Morena party has made several changes to fight corruption, including the buyback of our national petroleum (Pemex) to resocialize it after Peña Nieto sold it to private equity. We also had a huge controversy where one of our national airports had been signed to private Chinese companies, but was cancelled by AMLO (sending us into exorbitant debt and causing much backlash), with the intention of keeping it socialized and keeping it free of private interests. And those are just a few examples of our current government fighting back against the private sector.
+1 - This is changing, but they're not unilaterally protected.
I'm not sure about this one, but I'll give it to you only for the simple fact that unions aren't in our cultural radar. We don't do unions because we don't have a history of having unions. But our rights have been expanding, including the minimum wage.
+1 - This is changing.
Quite the opposite is happening. We have many governmental institutions, like the Palacio de Bellas Artes in Mexico City, and dozens upon dozens of cultural centers and museums. Not to mention the endless stream of art exhibits and performances downtown. We've also been pouring plenty of funds into renovating and modernizing college campuses. You no longer use an ID to get in, but you have to scan your phone, which didn't exist when I was studying. It feels futuristic, tbh.
+0 - We love our artists and intellectuals. We trust in science. Sheinbaum has a PhD in energy engineering, btw.
Well, we do have cartels, but we've taken a hands-free approach, and it's one of the biggest criticisms of Morena. AMLO himself had the "hugs not bullets" doctrine that led to more rampant organized crimes under the misguided belief that this would reduce violence because some cartels respect the public. He thought they'd all do that if the government stayed out of their business.
+0 - Not a thing outside of pushing back against cartels.
Morena has cut back on a lot of corruption, including defunding the national healthcare, because a good chunk of the funds were being diverted into people's pockets. This is another big criticism they face, but people don't realize how much money was being stolen away. So we're doing the opposite of giving in to this.
+1 - This is changing.
Not at all. I voted in every national election for the past decade or so, and I can confidently say that the votes have been overwhelmingly consistent with public opinion. There have been a couple of cases with sketchy results, but nothing ridiculous like winning the popular vote but losing the race because of some electoral college bullshit. *cough*
+0 - Far from it.
Total: 4/12
Let me know if you still disagree, and we'll give it another go with the list of your choice.
I am sure you can find a marginalized person in Mexico to disagree with you on many of these points like, for instance, an indigenous person.
Like I said before, you can't see it. You live in denial and you fall for all the propaganda you are receiving. Every narrative, especially the ones you like are propaganda.
Fascism is the result of unfettered capitalism where money and power pervert and corrupt every human being. It is the corporate evolution of authoritarianism.
Why do you think that the AntiFa existed in modern times as an answer to corporate trade law taking control of nations. Nothing has changed and it is way worse.
So yes Mexico is most definitely on the fascism scale. You even have a polarizing populist. Just like when the US elected Obama it didn't suddenly make the US not a fascist state.
As I was saying, you are a liability when you can't see through the propaganda. Fascism is reality all over the world and we have to address it.
Go ahead, find me this mythical person, please. I want to hear this person deny basic facts.
Also, you haven't realized that all the points I've made are based on my experience living here. I don't know where you got the idea that I watch the local news or even TV. I thought I was clear about the events happening downtown and the social change that's evident.
You have no idea what you're talking about. It's clear you're only here to discredit and discourage. All I know is that you're either pushing some agenda or you don't want to admit that you're wrong.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy5pvdyd0ygo
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/15/world/americas/mexico-protest-violence.html
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/opinion/political-polarization-under-president-sheinbaum/
https://www.reddit.com/r/asklatinamerica/comments/1kjgg0k/mexicans_what_changes_to_the_mexican_government/
https://www.ojala.mx/en/ojala-en/mexicos-timid-reform-on-the-rights-of-indigenous-people
I mean clearly there are a lot of Mexicans very critical of what is going on that understand the government is pretty fucked up. That fact that you are so in denial is almost comical.
Are some reforms good? Yes, but that doesn't fix any of the problems if the reforms themselves are being prevented by corruption.
Your anecdotal experiences in highly urban areas are certainly not indicative of what most face and see on a daily basis. Your privilege blinds you while you buy into rhetoric instead of action.
You don't understand fascism, but to be fair most people don't. That is okay, that is why they have already won. You will continue living in fascism with your militarized police forces and rampant corruption.
The reforms were the propaganda just like Civil Rights reforms were in the US. A good story to sell the people while the rich and powerful carry on.