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Switzerland plans surveillance worse than US | Tuta (tuta.com)

submitted 6 days ago by Blaze@piefed.zip to c/privacy@programming.dev

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Revision of Swiss surveillance law VÜPF would directly target VPN & encrypted chat and email providers based in Switzerland.

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[–] r4venw@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago (3 children)

This isn't a necessarily me arguing with you, just some thoughts.

We have already seen multiple instances of law enforcement misusing technology (Flock, for example) with or without a warrent. Before these technologies, it was a lot less convenient to do this.
It is illegal to open someone else's mail without permission. I think this is the case in a lot of places? We don't have a similar digital concept (probably because the post office is a government service and digital stuff is corporate).
Before this technological era, if the police wanted to wiretap someone or follow them, they wouldn't immediately have access to every single thing theyve said or done before that point in time. I think that is also quite important if we're comparing/contrasting

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We have already seen multiple instances of law enforcement misusing technology (Flock, for example) with or without a warrent. Before these technologies, it was a lot less convenient to do this.

And that goes further into government. Do you trust your government to see everything you ever wrote? And if you do trust this government, do you still trust it when their opponents win?

There's also the psychological impact. Just knowing you're being watched is taxing in several different ways.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 4 points 5 days ago

It's also worth it to distinguish between government, police, prosecution, and secret agencies. Just one of them has to be malicious/untrustworthy/incompetent, with enough conformity/disinterest by the others - the latter of which is often a given. It's not just one party or agency and attack vector we become vulnerable to.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Yes, all good points. I did mention points 2 and 3, and I agree they're all important.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 0 points 5 days ago

We afe just slaves being reclaimee by our masters. This is the end for bumanity.