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California should secede.
It would immediately bankrupt the US. All those mags loving red states are barely able to survive without money flowing in from blue states, and California is not only its largest economy, it's one of the largest economies in the world. California moves away and good luck for those red states getting money to feed their rich.
I saw something where Kentucky takes a lot of federal money, yet they vote red all the time
"I love the poorly educated"
California can't secede without some kind of violent escalation, or a constitutional amendment to allow secession which won't happen. The high GDP is dependent on trade with the rest of the US, it's not isolated and sustainable on its own. California imports more of it's power than any other state, over 20% now (though this is going down).
California is the key to US western ports and access to the Pacific. The federal government and US military will absolutely never allow that to go away, which means secession is not possible without all out war. California loses a war with the rest of the US no question. California isn't exactly unified, and has more registered conservatives than the entire population of Kentucky. They have a strong liberal majority just about everywhere, but no shortage of conservative who aren't going to quietly allow a secession.
They doesn't exactly have a bright future when it comes to climate change and access to clean water, and they'll need support from the rest of the US as droughts, wildfires and unsustainable depletion of groundwater continues. You want to be on the team that has control of the great lakes region as climate change worsens.
I don't think you meant it that seriously, but it's fun to think through these things for me.
Let's all be friends and not spread civil war rhetoric (:
Thanks for a more in-depth view!
I get the point but my argument is mostly about how all these red states can barely make enough money to feed their own people and depend on money coming in from blue states, but always bitch and moan about how California should be more like them.
They fully support the US government blocking money to California but they're happy to take it's money. The hypocrisy is just eye rolling.
They could join Canada. Year round fruit. Yay.
I am here for this. So many Canadians in the entertainment industry relocate to Cali. Hell, it was even what drew the NHL into southern expansion. If Gretzky had never been traded to Los Angeles, I am betting that the NHL would be confined to Canada and the northern US (places that actually get snow, goddammit!) to this day.
Edit: I know that mountainous regions in even tropical countries get snow, but the culture of hockey/winter sports in general doesn't exist in warm-weather locales for a pretty obvious reason - people don't experience cold winter weather there.