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Every day I am forced to confront that the the Democratic Party won the White House and Congress in 2020 and instead of doing the smart thing and ending the filibuster, packing the court, and going scorched Earth on the GOP which, mind you, had just tried to overthrow the election, they kicked back and proceeded to do absolutely nothing of note except cut a blank check for the most televised genocide of the last 30 years.

A disciplined party could have un-fucked everything trump did in the span of a few month, but they chose not to. They chose not to, and now we're all paying for it.

The purpose of a system is what it does.

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[–] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The two independents were Bernie Sanders and Angus King, both of whom reliably caucused with the Democrats.

And "certain situations" means, if the Senate votes 50/50, the VP can break the tie.

So, yes, 50 reliable Democratic votes in the Senate, plus the VP, plus a majority in the House, means the Democrats did "win" Congress in all but the most pedantic interpretations of the word.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

the Democrats did "win" Congress in all but the most pedantic interpretations of the word.

No. Both literally and practically the democrats did not have a majority in the senate, if we go by actual part affiliation, then they only had 48 senators, and if we go by voting record then the DiNOs such as Manchin, Sinema and even Fetterman don't relaibly vote with the democrats.

The ONLY interpretation in which the democrats won the senate is one where you purposefully try to construct that narrative by picking and choosing pieces of the combination of those definitions to suit the argument.

And even then Harris still cast more tie breaker votes than any VP in history. So it's a bit disengenous to go after the entire democratic party when it was well documented that it was the actions of a couple of senators, the """moderate""" democrats that repeatedly blocked votes that could have done good from going through.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The important thing to understand about Democrats is even when they have power they actually have no power.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago

this is actually pretty true. republicans toe the party line even if they disagree. democrats are this mix of conservative to liberal and fight amongst themselves all the time.

[–] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I think you're confusing Democrats (who won the House and Senate and controlled Congress) with progressives (who didn't).

Manchin and Sinema were Democrats. They became independents in 2024 and 2022 respectively. Fetterman and other conservative Democrats are still Democrats.

The Democrats controlled Congress in 2021-2022, and Manchin and Sinema and Fetterman were part of that ruling coalition.

Manchin and Sinema and other conservative Democrats sabotaged the Democrats' feeble attempts at progressive legislation, and that was one reason the Democratic Party failed to accomplish anything during Biden's administration. Another reason was the Democratic Party leadership was either unable or unwilling to control those conservative Democrats.

And still another reason was Biden's weakness and political cowardice. Which is painfully apparent now, since Donald Trump has proved a President with a majority in Congress can do whatever he wants by executive order. Biden with a Democratic Congress could have done the same thing if he had the guts. If Biden had actually used the power of the presidency, Manchin would have been an irrelevant footnote instead of the single most important vote in the Senate.

But you cannot say that Democrats didn't control Congress. The Democrats controlled Congress. And then the Democrats let a handful of conservatives in Congress set their agenda and block progressive reform until they lost power.

And the fact that they didn't do shit for America when voters put them in charge, because party leadership sat on their fucking hands and let their conservative wing set the agenda, is the whole fucking point of the post.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Did you only read half of my comment or something?

If anything you're the one confusing democrats with progressives here.

Democrats won 48 seats in the senate that year. Republicans won 50. And 2 were independent. Democrats did not control the senate, this is a fact.

As I've said in my last comment if you want to talk about party affiliationbto include Manchin and senma, then you don't get to include the independents.

Democrats did not have a majority in the senate, that is just a fact. You can argue against facts if you want, but all your doing is trying to twist reality to fit your argument.

Also using Trumps lawb breaking and fascist actions as proof Biden could also have broken laws and been a fascist if he wanted to is not only wrong, since the rest of his part is not yes men that agree with him being fascist, but obviously morally wrong.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago

trump can do what he does because republicans are willing to back him up. Democrats don't always back up even a reasonable president but would completely abandon one acting like trump and disregarding the constitution.