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Nextcloud -> Owncloud (ocis) (slrpnk.net)

submitted 2 weeks ago by wiegell@feddit.dk to c/selfhosting@slrpnk.net

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My Nextcloud instance broke again-again a month ago where the iOS app could not connect anymore… No helpful error code or message. I have never really been satisfied with their products, it always seemed slow and buggy and they have thousands of open issues on their repos. I used it for photos, online file storage/sharing and for messaging / video chat. I have now replaced it with Owncloud + Immich + Signal (not self hosted) and i’m very satisfied. Owncloud is just way snappier and no bugs so far. Docs are ok, though a little hard to search in and you constantly have to be aware, that the docs might only be relevant for their prior php-implementation. I followed this guide:

https://doc.owncloud.com/ocis/next/depl-examples/ubuntu-compose/ubuntu-compose-prod.html

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[–] fhoekstra@feddit.nl 10 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Just like the old PHP based OwnCloud was forked to NextCloud for governance reasons, we now also have a fork of OCIS under the name OpenCloud:

https://opencloud.eu/

[–] mat@jlai.lu 5 points 2 weeks ago

Seemi like the company never learns about governance XD Also, Kiteworks tried to threaten dev that left owncloud for open loud

[–] wiegell@feddit.dk 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Cool, i never really understood/knew the reasons for the Nextcloud fork. When you say ‘we’, does it mean you are affiliated with opencloud? What would my reasons be to use opencloud over owncloud?

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago

The reason as I understand is better performance and reliability, by ditching PHP which is what causes most of Nextclouds problems.

[–] fhoekstra@feddit.nl 2 points 1 week ago

Not affiliated.
Why did you use NextCloud over OwnCloud? Same reasons apply

[–] Lem453@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I don't think this is the same thing.

Opencloud.eu seems to have been started so they could offer hosting services to EU clients and essentially compete with MS teams and others. You can't download and run their version directly. This isn't a fork the way that opencloud > nextcloud was a change in governance.

OCIS seems to have a great open source product that I'm also hoping to switch over to. I've been trying to get it connected to my authentik SSO (which I have) and just need to figure out how to get admin users on authentik to show up as admin users on ocis.

That's the last thing I need to migrate over fully.

I used to be on owncloud then switched to nextcloud at the fork. In all that time through 3 different servers nextcloud has always been the most brittle app I've hosted

[–] fhoekstra@feddit.nl 2 points 1 week ago

I was just relaying how the OpenCloud people explained it to me at Froscon this year

[–] solariplex@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago

Their website doesn't link to their git repo, but it exists: https://github.com/opencloud-eu

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago

So, opencloud doesn't try to "check all the boxes" and, instead, tries to be the best it can at personal cloud file hosting? Did I understand their site properly?