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Democrats shouldn't have made the offer anyhow.
This is actually better. What they offered was a common sense path forward on the issue of the healthcare subsidies. Continue to fund them for a year, and in the meantime form a congressional committee to find options for how to proceed beyond that.
Republicans turning this down just places the blame for continuing the shutdown, firmly in their laps. At this point any talk of this still being the Democrats fault, is beyond ridiculous. They're actually negotiating, while Republicans are simply refusing to even try.
Exactly! I'll repeat what I wrote elsewhere that this is actually a good strategic move as much as I want Jeffries and Schumer gone.
Follow me:
The GOP are forking Democrats to choose a loss of SNAP benefits, or a loss of healthcare tax subsidies that will see premiums skyrocket to unaffordable levels for millions.
Democrats DO have the negotiating leverage right now considering Trump's approval is plummeting and more Americans blame Republicans than Democrats.
However, this move has a slightly veiled one: It punts the issue to become a talking-point on healthcare right around midterms next year, which will be hugely beneficial to Democratic talking points.
As a result, Democrats seize a win for the American people in both restoring SNAP benefits and ACA tax subsidies for a year more, while at the same time loading up political leverage for midterms next year.
NOT TO MENTION: It solidifies the side who is trying to viably come to the table and to HELP the American people. Makes them look like the adults in the room.
Dare I say, great move.
Exactly. The only way they could fuck this up, is to cave. That would be the definition of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Let's hope they don't...because honestly, I do not have a lot of faith in their ability to hold the line.
I've heard that some Dems are beginning to cave as Trump wants to destroy the filibuster.
I swear to jahh if the Dems do that... Fucking spineless, as ever
Yep. My tepid optimism and defense of Schumer lasted like a whole 24 hours...
I think the offer was fine, especially since it was rejected. Shows goodwill negotiation that independents say they like, doesn't cost anything
Forcing the Republicans to shoot this down only makes Republicans look worse.
Exactly. I bet this time next week cluck cluck chuck will cave.
When that doesn't happen, I bet you won't be admitting you were wrong.
Well, Cuck Boomer didn't cave, but he couldn't whip his own minority whip or the rest of his caucus. Then he made it look like he was on the right side by voting NO, when NOTHING got accomplished.
Truly a Cuck
Because you cant admit you’re wrong, I can’t?
I would be delighted to be wrong. And you’re fooling yourself if you think Schumer is up for a fight.
What was I wrong about?
No, you won't admit it. You'll continue to oppose Schumer at all times and in all circumstances even when he does the thing you say you want him to do.
Well for one thing, I do admit when I’m wrong.
You’re full of shit, so I assume it’s all projection.
Furthermore, this attempt at negotiating and compromise signals an intent to… you know… compromise…. With people that haven’t actually compromised in 20 years.
Which, if you have not been paying attention, is how we’ve come to be here.
Yeah, I have no reason to believe Schumer is going to do the right thing here, either.
You assume the Democrats expected the Republicans to actually accept this. I'm certain they didn't, but now they can truthfully say that they tried to compromise to reopen the government and the Republicans still turned them down. Politics is very much a game, and this was the right move to play.
First and foremost.
Let’s get one thing absolutely and crystal clear.
Politics is absolutely fucking not a fucking game and fuck you for callously saying it is.
40 million Americans are facing food insecurity because of this attitude.
24 million more will see their healthcare costs go up. Because of this attitude.
I could list a rather shocking amount of absolute and unmitigated shit that is happening right now, because of this attitude.
Making offers you know are nonstarters isn't negotiating. Especially offers that are largely unacceptable to your base. Fucking around with the lived and wellbeing of everyone here is not appropriate.
It was also unnecessary. Most of us realize that republicans are in control and that they could end the shut down with everything they wanted any time they want. (Also, could have stopped it from happening.)
Also, why would you trust a man that convinced the House to hold out, promising to vote against cloture the last time, only then to backstab everyone and vote for cloture?
There is no reason to; and he’s lost control of the democrat senators. As for last nights no-vote, I was somewhat relieved until certain of the other senators came out saying he approved it or whatever.
Not that I outright believe it, but it does suggest he knew they were turning rogue. Maybe one shouldn’t bullshit with things that won’t get accepted instead of shoring up the party unity.
(Maybe he should have endorsed Mamdani, too, for that matter.)