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different source (Danish)

It's no surprise, as kill switches are pretty much ubiquitous.

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Similar backdoor control capabilities, usually at least officially frowned upon in Western tech companies, weren’t found in buses bought from Dutch company VDL.

Looks like that was discussed in the article.

[–] fort_burp@feddit.nl 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

No I think floofloof meant that the article doesn't point out that Tesla and John Deere products have that same feature.

Common John Deere L

[–] stray@pawb.social 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It specifically mentions Tesla and John Deere in the article.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I looked up the top 5 bus manufacturers in Europe, accounting for a combined 80-90% of new buses.

All of them use OTA updates.

The author picks a very unusual bus without telling the reader to make the reader believe this is a chinese problem and not standard practice in 2025.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There's a difference between consensual OTA updates (meaning the bus company would manually need to confirm the update) and non-consensual OTA updates (meaning it is done regardless of the bus company's wishes).

The Chinese buses are capable of the latter which is a gigantic security vulnerability. You do not want any operating system anywhere to update itself without consent.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Does Iveco(41%) or any other manufacturer with a meaningful market share do that?

[–] stray@pawb.social 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

Operators of the chinese bus can pull the SIM card and reinsert it as desired as mentioned in the article, I'm not sure there is a meaningful difference if that is how the Iveco works.

[–] stray@pawb.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

You obviously didn't read the article because the author talks about non-Chinese products as well. They specifically describe a possible future where Trump disables all Danish iPhones. It has nothing to do with China and everything to do with the problem of "smart" devices and how little control we have over our own possessions.