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How many misunderstandings happen because people are bad at both writing and talking?
The answer is, a great deal.
Your answer is nonsense.
There is no real use case for the user. There are only use cases for the company.
I'd say there would be a great benefit for a lot of e.g. disabled people who can't use the traditional inputs. Not saying that as a pro-ai/pro-win argument. Just that there actually will be good use-cases.
That's not a use case for users. That's a use case for a very specific sub group who likely weren't using the OS at all. Not saying it's not good they would be able to if that works for them, which I doubt.
Its still not a reason to foist it onto all of us
Didn't say that was a reason to gulp it down. Just that the use cases aren't zero.
Knew a quadriplegic that gamed with her mouth on windows. A really well working, integrated "ai" would've dramatically improved her life and saved her hundreds of thousands for all the equipment and tech-guys. And yes, that's a very limited use case, but would allow poorer disabled people to also use a computer better.
But that's really all good reasons I can come up with. For all else noone needs the shit baked into the OS.
So you can't think of a single reason why anyone that's not disabled would want to use AI on a computer? No reason anyone would want to use ChatGPT? Generate an image? Re-write some text? Summarise some text or a video? None at all? Really?
I said baked into the OS. Noone needs that. Everyone who needs ai can open a browser. That was the whole topic here, not usefulness of ai in general 😊
Being baked into the OS means it can do infinitely more than a browser based one can.
Name one really good application for baked-in? Nothing useful comes to my mind. And i'm not categorically against AI.
Being baked into the OS means it can access parts of the OS. Asking ChatGPT in firefox to turn off HDR on your PC doesn't work. Using Copilot built in to the OS means it can.
I know what it means, but toggling HDR isn't really the thing that makes the total surveillance worth it. Not even for people who are ignorant to privacy.
Oh so you do know the difference but you pretended you didn’t to try and act like there isn’t any?
What “total surveillance” are you talking about? You have full control over your data with copilot.
I didn't pretend. I questioned the use of baked-in "ai". And if you believe in your total control, you might just be the perfect customer for it.
You questioned why it exists while knowing the reason why it exists and pretending it doesn’t exist.
I questioned the USE of it, not the basic mechanics of what it does or how it works. I can build an incredibly complicated machine to turn on my light-switches (ok, bad example as i actually do that in a smart-home) but turning it on by hand is quicker and simpler. Noone would want such a machine for that. Same why no one (except maybe disabled people or totally technically clueless ones) would need an LLM to toggle HDR or adjust brightness/volume/whatever.
Having copilot built in to windows is basically "smart-home"-ing your computer. No one needs to ask home assistant to turn off their lights, but it damn sure is handy and most often faster than doing it manually - same with my example of turning HDR on/off.
Having it built in means you could ask it to interact with every piece of your computer. If you can't see how there is no USE for this, you've got a very narrow mind and no ability to think outside the box.
The reason for a smart home is to make it....smart. Most of my home is automated so we don't have to do anything. Waiting a second (at best) for copilot to toggle my HDR is the time I'd need to click it myself.
But the major point you want to ignore is privacy. Copilot needs a microphone (typing the shit would be slower than just doing it manually). Sure, there are people who are totally ignorant to privacy and even use Alexas or WhatsApp or things like that, but I value privacy. The last thing I would need is for windows to listen 24/7 just so I can toggle HDR or dim the screen. It Wouldn't even work due to my security 😁
BTW, I can do that now already via smart home.
Do you think toggling hdr is the only thing copilot can do? Do you not understand examples?
You're becoming boring. If you so love being a product just so you can speak to your windows to do all the things you "manually" would need too long to do: Go ahead. If you see progress here and awesome innovation: Be my guest. Don't forget to install the chatgpt-browser too :)
If you love being stuck in the dark ages and hating all innovation and new tech, go for it.
lol, if you'd knew how my "dark-age" houses look...embrace more of these "innovations" and get some alexas and rings! It's the pinnacle of tech. Besides copilot, obviously :)
So you understand how having integrations with different systems works, and the benefits it provides...........but can't understand that the same thing applies to AI built into an OS?
Amazing.
You are incredible...if you see a worthy value to sacrifice privacy to do "all os-stuff by voice", then go for it. Even if it'd be a local LLM I couldn't think of one single scenario where this might be remotely handy. Can you? Or are you just antagonizing out of boredom?
I literally gave you one - HDR toggling. You disregarded it because you didn't want there to be any reasons.
Here's another - you could ask copilot to check your emails for an invite to a party that you are expecting, add the party to your calendar, create an item on your to-do list to get a present, and forward the invite to your partner.
How's that? Is that not something that could be useful?
As to the other example: Sure, useful. To people who just don't care about privacy (Which is kinda weird from someone with the nick "freedomadvocate"). As MS should not have access to my mails, my calender or my to-do-list. And especially not my contacts :-) Besides you're just assuming one would exclusively use MS-products to do that. Try that shit with non-ms-products and it becomes just a waste of time.
But for people unable to do so "normally" or who would save tremendous amounts of time there might be a good use. But that's what i said at the start. Very niche use-case.
Seriously? Because not everything supports HDR lol
If you know the keyboard shortcut, sure. With a mouse how do you do it in a second while you're in a game?
Great! So there we have it, you recognise that you were wrong. We got there in the end, hooray!
How exactly do you think your privacy is being eroded? It's all on-device and you have privacy settings to control what MS can learn from.
"MS" don't have to, just copilot on your device, without any feedback to MS.
AI can already interact with third party products.
I never switched it off and never had problems in any content. Weird 😊
It'd be not the wisest move to toggle it while in a game. And maybe I'd need two seconds, possibly even three or four. A worthy price for privacy in my book
Nonsense. I said from the beginning there are niche-usecases. Those don't invalidate all arguments per se
And here's where you're seriously wrong. It might be local only for simple things like file-search (doesn't mean your voice-data isn't sent for "performance and quality assurance" reasons). Most stuff is or will, obviously, be cloud-based. They wouldn't put billions into that just so that regular Joe from accounting can open office faster. They do it for profit
Yeah sure. Some features are local only. IF you have a compatible NPU in your machine. If not then it'll be cloud too. The data on what is local only is freely accessible.
Some ai with some 3rd party products. Surely never all with everything. Also we're talking about copilot only.
SDR content looking bad when HDR is enabled, especially just the desktop and basic OS, has been a thing for years on windows. Guessing you either didn’t actually have a real HDR monitor, or just didn’t realise it shouldn’t look like what it did.
Cloud-based use of AI doesn’t mean that they use your data for training or anything either - if you’d spent even 2 minutes looking at copilot in Windows you’d know this. On device or in cloud, you have privacy settings that control it.
Yeah, me being technologically challenged is probably it. Dude, I retired around 25 because of tech. Besides, if you ever toggled HDR while having 5 monitors attached, you'd think hard if it would be REALLY needed right now 😁
Sorry, I just don't have that level of naiveté. A US-company pumping billions into AI and not use our data for anything? That is why they already gather that much, even without LLMs? Half of my firewall-rules are for MS, so little do they phone home 😁
But at least only one windows machine will be problematic, my others are win-server, they won't get this crap. So no worries for me anyway.
Ok you're so far down the anti-AI hole that you're just being ridiculous. No point even bothering. "Disabled people don't use Windows" lol One of the dumbest hot takes I've heard in a while.
Showing your ignorance and short-sightedness right here. Just because you can't see uses, despite them being literally provided to you, doesn't mean there aren't any. It means that you can't think of them or understand them. That's a "you" problem.
The fact AI has yet to do anything other than increase costs, increase the time taken to ship anything (particularly code), decrease trust and socialise the cost of data centres and electricity...
I'd say it's an all of us problem and a fucking stupid problem to have.
This is just straight up lying though lol. All you're doing is showing your ignorance and complete lack of awareness of the world around you.
Demonstrate a single false claim
You really think that the current "AI" has not done a single good thing? You think that no one in the entire world has been able to benefit in any way, at all, from using AI?
Yup.
Ok well at least we know you’re not worth trying to have a rational conversation with now.