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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 151 points 1 month ago (26 children)

Really, really hoping Mamdani doesn't turn out to be Obama 2.0.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 131 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

That would require Zohran to be ideologically liberal. I think it's pretty clear from a number of litmus tests that he's a socialist. It's much more difficult to go from being a socialist to a centist. Ideologically, being a socialist isn't merely a step to the left of liberal. It's a fundamentally different worldview which resembles American liberals in a few areas but only in appearance. E.g. both a liberal and a socialist might advocate for universal healthcare. The liberal feels that private healtchare is a defect of an otherwise functioning system. The socialist sees the system working as intended in that it enriches the oligarch class via private healtchare. Therefore the socialist sees public universal healthcare as removing a revenue stream from the oligarch class, diminishing its power in the process and reducing the scope of the capitalist system. The improvement to people's lives naturally follows as a consequence of that. From this perspective, it would be very difficult for a socialist to be convinced they should abandon universal healthcare because insurers would lose too much money like Obama did.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago (6 children)

He says he's a socialist.

Democrats say a lot of things that sound really, really good too... until they're elected, and then we realize they're shit-stains.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're not wrong and that could totally be the case but again, he's gotta be a really good actor to keep the socialist line when being grilled on some issues. It's certainly possible that he is. But I think he's leftist schtick is very different than Obama's. Only one way to find out. Vote for him if you're in NYC. 😁

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I badly want to be wrong, but there's something about these supposed progressives that changes when they get into office and suddenly are confronted with the possibility that they can 100% exploit their office to give their family generational wealth.

So while I'm cautiously optimistic, most of me is very 'I'll believe it when I see it'.

[–] DNS@discuss.online 34 points 1 month ago

I believe it's the progressives who realize they're an extremely small minority within the DNC, so you must swallow a few bitter loads to get certain stuff you believe in through while making backroom deals you would never do.

Ultimately it is up to the American People to shift the Overton window to the left. It is possible, but won't be easy as Democrats cave to Corporations and the media being billionaire owned doesn't help when you're a progressive.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

So while I’m cautiously optimistic, most of me is very ‘I’ll believe it when I see it’.

Pessimism of the mind, optimism of the will.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This guy all ready comes from a well off family so it’s not like that I don’t think.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

He says he’s a socialist.

Obama explicitly and repeatedly stated he was a capitalist

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 month ago (8 children)

The dems trying to take him out is evidence that he's real

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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I think part of that is true and part of that is that they just don't get enough votes to actually do things.

Especially as just a Congressperson you can't change everything all at once. You don't have the same influence as a president. So you pick your battles.

People here get disappointed they didn't get enough done fast enough and then vote red in the next election hoping for faster change.

Well, we got faster change. Never seen change as fast as this.

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[–] al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 1 month ago

If your underpants get a shit stain you should change them. Democrats haven't changed the shitty underwear in over 60 years.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Can we hook him up to a dynamo? Free, clean energy.

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[–] drbluefall@toast.ooo 32 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Given a lot of his known history, I have enough confidence to say he's a real one, unlike Obama.

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I feel like mayor is a better jump up for a candidate like Mamdani than President. Also, Mamdani is coming up with a lot more policies that can get implemented. In contrast, Obama ran on far less openly socialist policies outside of healthcare. When it got to healthcare, Obama was relatively hands off when the bill was being written.

[–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As a German it will always amuse me to read about policies that Otto von Bismark enacted here as socialist. Like general health care was given to weaken the power of worker unions.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago

Over here in the good ole US of A, "socialism" usually doesn't refer to collective ownership of the means of production, or some other fancy book-learnin' version.

Socialism is when the government takes some CEO and/or redneck's hard earned tax dollar and tries to do something that helps poor people.

If the government wants to spend money on poor people, it has to be to blow them up on the other side of the world.

Back home there are way too many big hands to fill with handouts, between corporations and rich people. We can't get to the poor beggars until some time after the fusion power rollout. And please think of the economy!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

To my knowledge, he does not have the ability to drone strike anyone. So we're safe on that count

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

An African-born Muslim Socialist?

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