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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

In fact, it's worth getting out if you're vulnerable and have the means to

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Everyone is vulnerable, 99% do not have the means. Where would they even go? Draftees fled to Canada during Nam, the current dynamics are much different since the US govt is doing everything it can to break historic relationships. Both countries are also carefully negotiating trade pact to include things like making refugee status harder to obtain. Only fair the rest of the world do it, but "y'all should just leave" hardly helpful as an answer

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yes everyone is vulnerable, but some people are much more vulnerable than others. Saying everyone is vulnerable carries the same energy as "all lives matter".

Yes things are tough globally but some people do have the means to escape. My partner and I did and we're not particularly wealthy. Hell, she's been unemployed for a year, we just got lucky. The easiest way to get a visa elsewhere is through work or study. Some people also have family or citizenship in other countries that also helps. If you have an escape rope and you are of the demographics that are being slowly genocided or sent to torture camps in El Salvador, it's not worth staying here.

I'm not even disagreeing with you necessarily. Having moved internationally myself, I can say that moving internationally is INCREDIBLY hard. But when you're effectively receiving death threats from the government, you can't just freeze and let the fascists steamroll you. You have to decide between fight or flight.

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Don't gatekeep vulnerability. You're buying into stuff that keeps the ultra wealthy in power. Almost everyone is "working class" and is dependent on the same things; employment from a likely crappy company, shitty healthcare, poor education, etc. Yes there are obviously groups that have suffered much more because of race, sex, ethnicity, etc., but acknowledging that life is a struggle--different but still a struggle--for most is a far cry from "all lives matter" which seems to discount the suffering of others. 99% of people can't just pick up and leave and that's a hard economic fact, to say nothing about the other pieces that make relocation challenging.

I certainly didn't say relocating wasn't right in the face of violence and fascism, but simply saying people "should" doesn't make it any more likely when they face very real barriers to doing so.

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Making US refugees share tents with the mass deportees and temporarily unhoused immigrants who no longer are attempting to enter the US would be fitting, but not a great pitch for Americans looking for somewhere peaceful and stable to land.