I don't know about the Slavs, but tbf, the "white" race and the categorisation and conceptualisation of race itself has been arbitrary from the beginning. Not long ago, the Italians and Irish weren't considered white. Who goes where depends on the person making the categorisation. The English despised the Irish and Iberians, so both were lumped together as "Irish Iberian".

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

...and that's why Pizza is American food!

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

… and that's why USA is AMERICA.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

And "Jews aren't white" while we're at it.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

yep. correct.

why , why would it be desired for slavs to be counted as white?

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I mean I'd say any I've met would be puzzled if not angry if you told them they're not white. Probably 100% would be confused about what they are then.

It would probably be "desirable" in the sense that it's mostly the grouping they feel they belong to.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Americans say so much stupid shit, this wouldn't warrant puzzlement, much less anger from me.

More of a "huh, that's a new one" kind of reaction.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean I’d say any I’ve met would be puzzled if not angry if you told them they’re not white. Probably 100% would be confused about what they are then.

So would people from north india. Are they considered white?

The stem of all this crap is that people are trying to group themselves into in-out groups based on elitism, and wanting to make themselves seem better. This is a racist and fruitless endevour, since not only are you an asshole for trying to make yourself seem better than other "races", you're also trying to diminish the cachet of other groups.

Slavs have usually been denied access to this grouping, alongside Mediterranean.

It would probably be “desirable” in the sense that it’s mostly the grouping they feel they belong to.

So do Argentinians, and the aforementioned North Indians.

To be clear: I don't think white people are superior, nor do I give a shit where slavs or other people groups fit into it. What I do think, is that it's a misguided pathetic attempt to make yourself look better if you're getting into arguments why your people group deserve to be called white.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean you were yourself taking part in the conversation on who is and isn't white. I was just saying that most slavs definitely consider themselves white at least.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I mean you were yourself taking part in the conversation on who is and isn’t white.

yeah, to tell the people who are in marginal communities to not bust their ass, because of all the reasons I explained.

I was just saying that most slavs definitely consider themselves white at least.

Yeah sure, and so would most north indians/argentinians/other borderline people to make themselves seem better

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean if Slavs want to consider themselves white and do that effort then why not. Identities such as that are important to people.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I feel that you don't get the point of my argument.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago

That's true I probably don't