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What's the most left-winged thing someone can say? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 3 days ago by PatrickStar@sh.itjust.works to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.ca

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Was talking about this with someone today. People, especially the right-winged, will associate the so-called far left wing with Communism/Marxism. But I find it weird that any scale would just happen to have that as the far end of the spectrum. If you were to go down the scale to the very, very end, what political statement/remark would be the closest thing to the very tip of the spectrum? Something like "the robots should take over" or something?

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[–] faxed@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

I think this is on the right track. I'd like to make a clarification that will probably be agreed with. (Caveat: Haven't read Proudhon; am describing the colloquial use.) Which is that "thing" here doesn't apply to personal items or work tools of everyday life.

When I was a kid I recall being told that under communism you didn't own your own socks. That is not it.

"Property" certainly refers to land, infrastructure, large equipment, intellectual property, factories, buildings, large vehicles like cargo ships. You could also include housing, personal vehicles, livestock and other substantial but personal Capital as anywhere between public and personal.

On the other hand, while "property is theft" does not disallow personal items, that only goes so far as what one can reasonably use. Hoarding up valuable items is not appreciated. And it would certainly not be allowed to claim

The tragedy of the commons demonstrates how things owned in common or public use can become quickly destroyed.

False. Invite you to further investigate both the historical basis of that idea and any contemporary example you can find.

Capital which is publicly owned can be and often is well managed. There are all sorts of structures to get this done. Depending on the context, the people involved can have their pick. If you heard a public good you appreciate

a school, road, software, utility like power or water, library, museum, park, transit system, hospital

was getting "privatized", how do you expect the experience to be? Generally it fucking sucks. Whereas when the opposite happens it's generally awesome.